My brothers been beaten up
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Just had a phone call from my stepmum, my younger brother (14) was beaten up at school yesterday over some football playing cards and has been left with a fractured jaw. By my brothers account (we'll call him John) this lad accused him of pinching one of his cards, which he denies and after a heated argument he slammed John's head into the desk, John then threw a punch which missed and the lad proceeded to go to town on him, the teachers had to pull him away. A trip to hospital and the doctors have confirmed the damage and commented that his head has suffered massive traumor and that the police should be involved. John is ok, no serious or long lasting damage, more a bruised ego and he certainly doesn't want anything further to happen.
Now, i'm getting involved because our Dad is away at the minute, so i'm helping my stepmum out. This lad made the effort yesterday, before John went to the hospital to apologise and before this they have always been friends. My opinion is that the school should suspend this lad, as it was in school time but no further action should be taken, but it has been mentioned that the police should be involved.
What do you think, is it just a school boy scrap that will be all blown over in a fortnight and they'll be back to being mates? or should the police be involved? Obviously I need to teach my brother to stop being such a gheyer and toughen the f
k up.
Thoughts?
Now, i'm getting involved because our Dad is away at the minute, so i'm helping my stepmum out. This lad made the effort yesterday, before John went to the hospital to apologise and before this they have always been friends. My opinion is that the school should suspend this lad, as it was in school time but no further action should be taken, but it has been mentioned that the police should be involved.
What do you think, is it just a school boy scrap that will be all blown over in a fortnight and they'll be back to being mates? or should the police be involved? Obviously I need to teach my brother to stop being such a gheyer and toughen the f
k up.Thoughts?
WildCards said:
Just had a phone call from my stepmum, my younger brother (14) was beaten up at school yesterday over some football playing cards and has been left with a fractured jaw. By my brothers account (we'll call him John) this lad accused him of pinching one of his cards, which he denies and after a heated argument he slammed John's head into the desk, John then threw a punch which missed and the lad proceeded to go to town on him, the teachers had to pull him away. A trip to hospital and the doctors have confirmed the damage and commented that his head has suffered massive traumor and that the police should be involved. John is ok, no serious or long lasting damage, more a bruised ego and he certainly doesn't want anything further to happen.
Now, i'm getting involved because our Dad is away at the minute, so i'm helping my stepmum out. This lad made the effort yesterday, before John went to the hospital to apologise and before this they have always been friends. My opinion is that the school should suspend this lad, as it was in school time but no further action should be taken, but it has been mentioned that the police should be involved.
What do you think, is it just a school boy scrap that will be all blown over in a fortnight and they'll be back to being mates? or should the police be involved? Obviously I need to teach my brother to stop being such a gheyer and toughen the fk up.
Thoughts?
Normal school scuffle, except the bit in bold worries me. That's not a school fight, that's the sign of a future violent criminal I'm afraid.Now, i'm getting involved because our Dad is away at the minute, so i'm helping my stepmum out. This lad made the effort yesterday, before John went to the hospital to apologise and before this they have always been friends. My opinion is that the school should suspend this lad, as it was in school time but no further action should be taken, but it has been mentioned that the police should be involved.
What do you think, is it just a school boy scrap that will be all blown over in a fortnight and they'll be back to being mates? or should the police be involved? Obviously I need to teach my brother to stop being such a gheyer and toughen the f
k up.Thoughts?
Stu R said:
schoolboy fights do not result in a broken jaw ordinarily.
My thoughts exactly, get the police to have a word and put the frighteners on the kid so that he doesn't do it again. What if he lost his rag again and did someone even more serious damage?But then it depends if he has been bought up to respect the authority of the police or whether his family would think it was all a big laugh...
hmm difficult,
to be honest if some kid did that to my son I'd have a hard time not driving my car into the living room of the family that "owns" the violent little st whilst they all sat around watching X factor.
Ok, over reaction maybe, that would have been explusion material when I was at school. I think the old bill should be involved. Will hopefully be enough to "scare him straight".
to be honest if some kid did that to my son I'd have a hard time not driving my car into the living room of the family that "owns" the violent little s
t whilst they all sat around watching X factor.Ok, over reaction maybe, that would have been explusion material when I was at school. I think the old bill should be involved. Will hopefully be enough to "scare him straight".
Badgerboy said:
Suspension for a few days, a good bking from the the head, then leave it at that. They will know if the kid is a trouble maker or not, and will act accordingly. I don't see the point of the police getting involved, it's not like they can prosecute for anything with minors.
Generally agree. Worth sitting down with the Head and your brother's class teacher first to firmly establish if your brother is a trouble maker or whether the other boy is. If the other boy is deemed to be a serious problem for the school then I would suggest taking the matter much further.king from the the head, then leave it at that. They will know if the kid is a trouble maker or not, and will act accordingly. I don't see the point of the police getting involved, it's not like they can prosecute for anything with minors.A fractured jaw is incredibly serious and this clearly wasn't the usual arm waiving girly school fight and so needs to be given serious attention.
firstly what has happened to your brother is shocking and I hope he has a speedy recovery.
I'd say that some sort of punishment needs to be taken against the offender if your brother and family are happy with him being suspended then that is probably enough.
A broken jaw is a very serious injury and it would make it a serious offence in the polices eyes, however without a formal complaint they are unlikely to take it very far. For the lad to be prosecuted your brother is going to need to provide statements (probably on video) and has the possibility of having to go to court - a little pointless if your brother doesn't want anything doing about it.
Ultimately its a decsion which needs to be taken by your brother and your family as to wether to involve the police.
If you do then this could get drawn out and complicated plus its pitting your brother against an (ex?) friend. Also will criminalising this offender get anywhere?
If you dont, well will this lad start to believe he can do what he wants without punishment?
I'd say that some sort of punishment needs to be taken against the offender if your brother and family are happy with him being suspended then that is probably enough.
A broken jaw is a very serious injury and it would make it a serious offence in the polices eyes, however without a formal complaint they are unlikely to take it very far. For the lad to be prosecuted your brother is going to need to provide statements (probably on video) and has the possibility of having to go to court - a little pointless if your brother doesn't want anything doing about it.
Ultimately its a decsion which needs to be taken by your brother and your family as to wether to involve the police.
If you do then this could get drawn out and complicated plus its pitting your brother against an (ex?) friend. Also will criminalising this offender get anywhere?
If you dont, well will this lad start to believe he can do what he wants without punishment?
The school and hospital have a duty to inform both police and the social services in a case like this.
These amount to serious injuries and could be boardering on a charge of GBH. Certainly I would have entertained an investigation along these lines. Charging would be some way down the line.
This is, in my view, above what a school yard fight should amount to.
It requires logging/dealing with. If it is the first and only time this kid gets into trouble it will do him little or no harm in the future.
If it is part of a series of incidents, be that whether this is the first or fifth fight, then this kid needs the opportunity to straighten out. Next time could be worse.
These amount to serious injuries and could be boardering on a charge of GBH. Certainly I would have entertained an investigation along these lines. Charging would be some way down the line.
This is, in my view, above what a school yard fight should amount to.
It requires logging/dealing with. If it is the first and only time this kid gets into trouble it will do him little or no harm in the future.
If it is part of a series of incidents, be that whether this is the first or fifth fight, then this kid needs the opportunity to straighten out. Next time could be worse.
I would leave the police out of it.
Speaking from personal experience, I had a fight with my best friend at school when I was 15. We had been friends for years. We had been getting on each others' nerves all day, words were said and he hit me. I don't remember what happened after that, other than to say he had to be taken to hospital.
I told my parents what had happened and my Dad drove me round to my friends' house. His mum answered the door, invited us in and we sat down and spoke.
His mum said that following:
"You lads have got to understand that you are not little boys anymore. When you fight you have the potential to do a lot of damage to each other".
Kids fight all the time, it is part of growing up, but involving the police will not solve anything and could complicate matters further. I doubt that the other lad intended to hurt your brother in the way that he did and I am sure that once things have blown over they will be back to being friends again. The best outcome is that they learn that knocking seven bells out each other is not a good idea and that violence should only ever be used a last resort.
I learned at the age of 15 that I had a temper and that I could really hurt someone if I again lost the plot like I did with my best friend. I have never hit anyone since.
Speaking from personal experience, I had a fight with my best friend at school when I was 15. We had been friends for years. We had been getting on each others' nerves all day, words were said and he hit me. I don't remember what happened after that, other than to say he had to be taken to hospital.
I told my parents what had happened and my Dad drove me round to my friends' house. His mum answered the door, invited us in and we sat down and spoke.
His mum said that following:
"You lads have got to understand that you are not little boys anymore. When you fight you have the potential to do a lot of damage to each other".
Kids fight all the time, it is part of growing up, but involving the police will not solve anything and could complicate matters further. I doubt that the other lad intended to hurt your brother in the way that he did and I am sure that once things have blown over they will be back to being friends again. The best outcome is that they learn that knocking seven bells out each other is not a good idea and that violence should only ever be used a last resort.
I learned at the age of 15 that I had a temper and that I could really hurt someone if I again lost the plot like I did with my best friend. I have never hit anyone since.
Reevesy said:
Stu R said:
schoolboy fights do not result in a broken jaw ordinarily.
My thoughts exactly, get the police to have a word and put the frighteners on the kid so that he doesn't do it again. What if he lost his rag again and did someone even more serious damage?But then it depends if he has been bought up to respect the authority of the police or whether his family would think it was all a big laugh...
davido140 said:
hmm difficult,
to be honest if some kid did that to my son I'd have a hard time not driving my car into the living room of the family that "owns" the violent little st whilst they all sat around watching X factor.
Ok, over reaction maybe, that would have been explusion material when I was at school. I think the old bill should be involved. Will hopefully be enough to "scare him straight".
I've had to restrain myself with initial thoughts along the same lines.to be honest if some kid did that to my son I'd have a hard time not driving my car into the living room of the family that "owns" the violent little s
t whilst they all sat around watching X factor.Ok, over reaction maybe, that would have been explusion material when I was at school. I think the old bill should be involved. Will hopefully be enough to "scare him straight".
In reality, the boy got carried away and John wasn't well enough prepared/equipped to handle it, My stepmum and I seem to agree that on one hand it's life, it's a hard lesson but I for one remember learning it and on the other hand, it's beyond what is a normal playground scuffle and having the police involved might actually do this lad a favour in the long run.
B.J.W said:
I would leave the police out of it.
Speaking from personal experience, I had a fight with my best friend at school when I was 15. We had been friends for years. We had been getting on each others' nerves all day, words were said and he hit me. I don't remember what happened after that, other than to say he had to be taken to hospital.
I told my parents what had happened and my Dad drove me round to my friends' house. His mum answered the door, invited us in and we sat down and spoke.
His mum said that following:
"You lads have got to understand that you are not little boys anymore. When you fight you have the potential to do a lot of damage to each other".
Kids fight all the time, it is part of growing up, but involving the police will not solve anything and could complicate matters further. I doubt that the other lad intended to hurt your brother in the way that he did and I am sure that once things have blown over they will be back to being friends again. The best outcome is that they learn that knocking seven bells out each other is not a good idea and that violence should only ever be used a last resort.
I learned at the age of 15 that I had a temper and that I could really hurt someone if I again lost the plot like I did with my best friend. I have never hit anyone since.
Some sound advice there.Speaking from personal experience, I had a fight with my best friend at school when I was 15. We had been friends for years. We had been getting on each others' nerves all day, words were said and he hit me. I don't remember what happened after that, other than to say he had to be taken to hospital.
I told my parents what had happened and my Dad drove me round to my friends' house. His mum answered the door, invited us in and we sat down and spoke.
His mum said that following:
"You lads have got to understand that you are not little boys anymore. When you fight you have the potential to do a lot of damage to each other".
Kids fight all the time, it is part of growing up, but involving the police will not solve anything and could complicate matters further. I doubt that the other lad intended to hurt your brother in the way that he did and I am sure that once things have blown over they will be back to being friends again. The best outcome is that they learn that knocking seven bells out each other is not a good idea and that violence should only ever be used a last resort.
I learned at the age of 15 that I had a temper and that I could really hurt someone if I again lost the plot like I did with my best friend. I have never hit anyone since.
darren9 said:
Reevesy said:
Stu R said:
schoolboy fights do not result in a broken jaw ordinarily.
My thoughts exactly, get the police to have a word and put the frighteners on the kid so that he doesn't do it again. What if he lost his rag again and did someone even more serious damage?But then it depends if he has been bought up to respect the authority of the police or whether his family would think it was all a big laugh...
I remember one lad at our school was "taken away" by the police at the request of his father and basically had the fear of God put into him - no formal action was ever going to be taken but the lad never knew that! Made a marked difference to his behaviour.
I don't remember ever having a fist-fight with a friend.. An enemy by all means, but not a friend.
The first thing this lad did was smash your brother's face off the desk? That seems a little beyond a friendly scrap to me.. He has some serious anger issues.
No idea what the answer is, if your brother wants to remain friends then police are not going to help. As for those saying he is a minor, he is above the age of criminality and can be prosecuted as such.
The first thing this lad did was smash your brother's face off the desk? That seems a little beyond a friendly scrap to me.. He has some serious anger issues.
No idea what the answer is, if your brother wants to remain friends then police are not going to help. As for those saying he is a minor, he is above the age of criminality and can be prosecuted as such.
It was a fight. Someone got beaten up. I doubt it was a scene from Gladiator, probably just got on him and gave him a few good digs before getting dragged off. Over in seconds. As soon as any two lads start trading blows then the chance of busted facial bones + teeth is pretty high.
From what has been stated you PH Lot are making out the kid should rot in Borstal.
"I'm the Daddy now"
Since the other lad apologised he is probably feeling pretty remorseful about the whole affair and they can go back to being best mates (maybe). Let your stepbro and the other kid sort it out among themselves. Your bother's pride has taken a pounding you stepping in isn't going to help that at all.
From what has been stated you PH Lot are making out the kid should rot in Borstal.
"I'm the Daddy now"
Since the other lad apologised he is probably feeling pretty remorseful about the whole affair and they can go back to being best mates (maybe). Let your stepbro and the other kid sort it out among themselves. Your bother's pride has taken a pounding you stepping in isn't going to help that at all.
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