Electric shower recommendation

[mouk786]

Anyone here know much about electric showers? seems to be one of those areas where there are not many reviews of products online (understandably)

Any experts here?

Budget of around 100-150 for a normal electric shower. In white or chrome (preferably)

Some guy recommended Aqualisa to me (but not sure if thats because he is an official reseller)

Any ideas?

[Catz]

I have an Aqualisa, it cleans me well enough and the plumber said it was a doddle to fit compared to other makes.

It did cost more than £150 though.

[Ordinary Bloke]

For that kind of money, Aqualisa or Triton are ok.

I recommend a Stuart Turner pump and Grohe shower, but it'll cost a lot more. It'll probably last a lot longer too...

[mouk786]

I've been eyeing an Aqualisa Electic 10.5w which seems to fall around the 180 bracket. Would possibly strech to that if it was much better than a Mira or Trton...

Is yours a standard electric?


The plumber did say they were a doddle to fit - not sure if that is for his benefit or mine!

I notice that many Tritons have 2 knobs, one for temo and the other i presume for pressure where the Aqualisa only has one knob for temp, i assuem it pumps of out full all of the time?


edit - 150 for the cost of buying the shower, not the fitting!

Edited by mouk786 on Monday 13th October 00:10

[welshbikerduck]

mouk786 said:

I notice that many Tritons have 2 knobs, one for temo and the other i presume for pressure where the Aqualisa only has one knob for temp, i assuem it pumps of out full all of the time?

How many knobs do you need to play with while having a shower?



Sorry it was too easy not to

[Oldandslow]

My father is in the trade. He pretty much recommends Aqualisa's to everyone unless they want something more upmarket. According to him they last well for the money.

[B17NNS]

How come you are going for electric?

[Catz]

mouk786 said:

Is yours a standard electric?


The plumber did say they were a doddle to fit - not sure if that is for his benefit or mine!

I notice that many Tritons have 2 knobs, one for temo and the other i presume for pressure where the Aqualisa only has one knob for temp, i assuem it pumps of out full all of the time?

Ours is a power shower.

It has 2 settings for pressure.

Used every day and it's not had any probs in 3 years.

[mouk786]

welshbikerduck said:

mouk786 said:

I notice that many Tritons have 2 knobs, one for temo and the other i presume for pressure where the Aqualisa only has one knob for temp, i assuem it pumps of out full all of the time?

How many knobs do you need to play with while having a shower?



Sorry it was too easy not to

I was asking for it

- going for an electric as that was what we had before...

- to the poster with the father in the trade, does he run a shop/is a plumber or something?

[Oldandslow]

Plumbing and heating engineer.

[fatboy b]

The plumber who put in our electric shower last year said Mira Sport were streets ahead of the comp for a same power (Kw) shower.

[GJB]

mouk786 said:

Anyone here know much about electric showers? seems to be one of those areas where there are not many reviews of products online (understandably)

Any experts here?

Budget of around 100-150 for a normal electric shower. In white or chrome (preferably)

Some guy recommended Aqualisa to me (but not sure if thats because he is an official reseller)

Any ideas?

Your best bet is to go down to your local trading estate plumbers merchant. Ask them to recommend a plumber who could come and have a look. Performance of the shower will be governed by the hot and cold water supplies available. Often costs more to get the right supplies rather than the actual shower installation. Also work on the old adage "the more you pay the better it will be".

[2something]

Ordinary Bloke said:

For that kind of money, Aqualisa or Triton are ok.

I recommend a Stuart Turner pump and Grohe shower, but it'll cost a lot more. It'll probably last a lot longer too...

I have a Stuart Turner pump, any idea on how to make the darn thing quieter ?

[jag guru]

mouk786 said:

I've been eyeing an Aqualisa Electic 10.5w which seems to fall around the 180 bracket. Would possibly strech to that if it was much better than a Mira or Trton...

Is yours a standard electric?


The plumber did say they were a doddle to fit - not sure if that is for his benefit or mine!

I notice that many Tritons have 2 knobs, one for temo and the other i presume for pressure where the Aqualisa only has one knob for temp, i assuem it pumps of out full all of the time?


edit - 150 for the cost of buying the shower, not the fitting!

Edited by mouk786 on Monday 13th October 00:10

Did your "plumber" advise fitting a 10mm t and
e supply cable ? This shower is drawing about 46 Amps at full chat,
on a 230 Volt supply, new harmonised level is no longer 240V.

Or did he leave the supply at 6mm ?
Because we wouldn't !
Anything above 8.5 KW we uprate the supply......I personally
wouldn't be happy about pulling 46 AMPS through a 6mm cable.

From the 16th ed............I've not done 17th yet,
TABLE A1 ref method 1 ( clipped direct ) @ 70 C.

6MM............ 45 A
10MM............65 A
16MM............90 A

I've also got the 2391 inspection and testing cert, which all the
sparks are aware of. If your shower is wired in 6mm I'd be advising
you to speak to your local NICEIC guy to get it checked.

Edited by jag guru on Monday 13th October 12:57

[jesusbuiltmycar]

Triron are crap.

Mine had problems after 13 monthis (just outside warranty), Triton wanted 60% of the cost of the original shower for a simple part.

Luckily I managed to source the patr online for a fraction of the cost.

If you google them for reviews / comments / problems you will find there are a lot of people that are not impressed...

[Deva Link]

jag guru said:

mouk786 said:

I've been eyeing an Aqualisa Electic 10.5w which seems to fall around the 180 bracket. Would possibly strech to that if it was much better than a Mira or Trton...

Is yours a standard electric?


The plumber did say they were a doddle to fit - not sure if that is for his benefit or mine!

I notice that many Tritons have 2 knobs, one for temo and the other i presume for pressure where the Aqualisa only has one knob for temp, i assuem it pumps of out full all of the time?


edit - 150 for the cost of buying the shower, not the fitting!

Edited by mouk786 on Monday 13th October 00:10

Did your "plumber" advise fitting a 10mm t and
e supply cable ? This shower is drawing about 46 Amps at full chat,
on a 230 Volt supply, new harmonised level is no longer 240V.

Or did he leave the supply at 6mm ?
Because we wouldn't !
Anything above 8.5 KW we uprate the supply......I personally
wouldn't be happy about pulling 46 AMPS through a 6mm cable.

From the 16th ed............I've not done 17th yet,
TABLE A1 ref method 1 ( clipped direct ) @ 70 C.

6MM............ 45 A
10MM............65 A
16MM............90 A

I've also got the 2391 inspection and testing cert, which all the
sparks are aware of. If your shower is wired in 6mm I'd be advising
you to speak to your local NICEIC guy to get it checked.

In reality it's not going to be a problem as electric showers are only used for short periods. And the ambient isn't going to be 70C, even if it runs through an airing cupboard (as they often do).

[jag guru]

Deva Link said:

jag guru said:

mouk786 said:

I've been eyeing an Aqualisa Electic 10.5w which seems to fall around the 180 bracket. Would possibly strech to that if it was much better than a Mira or Trton...

Is yours a standard electric?


The plumber did say they were a doddle to fit - not sure if that is for his benefit or mine!

I notice that many Tritons have 2 knobs, one for temo and the other i presume for pressure where the Aqualisa only has one knob for temp, i assuem it pumps of out full all of the time?


edit - 150 for the cost of buying the shower, not the fitting!

Edited by mouk786 on Monday 13th October 00:10

Did your "plumber" advise fitting a 10mm t and
e supply cable ? This shower is drawing about 46 Amps at full chat,
on a 230 Volt supply, new harmonised level is no longer 240V.

Or did he leave the supply at 6mm ?
Because we wouldn't !
Anything above 8.5 KW we uprate the supply......I personally
wouldn't be happy about pulling 46 AMPS through a 6mm cable.

From the 16th ed............I've not done 17th yet,
TABLE A1 ref method 1 ( clipped direct ) @ 70 C.

6MM............ 45 A
10MM............65 A
16MM............90 A

I've also got the 2391 inspection and testing cert, which all the
sparks are aware of. If your shower is wired in 6mm I'd be advising
you to speak to your local NICEIC guy to get it checked.

In reality it's not going to be a problem as electric showers are only used for short periods. And the ambient isn't going to be 70C, even if it runs through an airing cupboard (as they often do).

Really ? then you can have never replaced some of the abortions we
have........I knew it, someone would have to say otherwise !

Looks like the 4 year apprenticeship, HNC and D , 16th, and 2391
were all a total waste of time then ! As well as the 22 years in
equipment engineering !

Try pulling 46 amps through a 6mm cable and see how hot it gets.

And I disagree with your " only in use for short periods " assessment
as well.............I've seen my partners daughter
spend easily 45 minutes at a time in it.

Edited by jag guru on Monday 13th October 14:56

[Ganglandboss]

Deva Link said:

jag guru said:

mouk786 said:

I've been eyeing an Aqualisa Electic 10.5w which seems to fall around the 180 bracket. Would possibly strech to that if it was much better than a Mira or Trton...

Is yours a standard electric?


The plumber did say they were a doddle to fit - not sure if that is for his benefit or mine!

I notice that many Tritons have 2 knobs, one for temo and the other i presume for pressure where the Aqualisa only has one knob for temp, i assuem it pumps of out full all of the time?


edit - 150 for the cost of buying the shower, not the fitting!

Edited by mouk786 on Monday 13th October 00:10

Did your "plumber" advise fitting a 10mm t and
e supply cable ? This shower is drawing about 46 Amps at full chat,
on a 230 Volt supply, new harmonised level is no longer 240V.

Or did he leave the supply at 6mm ?
Because we wouldn't !
Anything above 8.5 KW we uprate the supply......I personally
wouldn't be happy about pulling 46 AMPS through a 6mm cable.

From the 16th ed............I've not done 17th yet,
TABLE A1 ref method 1 ( clipped direct ) @ 70 C.

6MM............ 45 A
10MM............65 A
16MM............90 A

I've also got the 2391 inspection and testing cert, which all the
sparks are aware of. If your shower is wired in 6mm I'd be advising
you to speak to your local NICEIC guy to get it checked.

In reality it's not going to be a problem as electric showers are only used for short periods. And the ambient isn't going to be 70C, even if it runs through an airing cupboard (as they often do).

70 degrees is the maximum cable operating temperature - not the ambient. The tables jag guru quoted are for an ambient temperature of 30 degrees, after which a correction factor should be applied. Correctly sizing cable is important regardless of how long it is run for. It is also possible that the cable will run through thermal insulation in the loft making it more important that the correct cable size is selected.

Dave - qualified spark (as is jag guru I believe)

Edit - just seen jag's reply

Edited by Ganglandboss on Monday 13th October 14:54

[jag guru]

Ganglandboss said:

Deva Link said:

jag guru said:

mouk786 said:

I've been eyeing an Aqualisa Electic 10.5w which seems to fall around the 180 bracket. Would possibly strech to that if it was much better than a Mira or Trton...

Is yours a standard electric?


The plumber did say they were a doddle to fit - not sure if that is for his benefit or mine!

I notice that many Tritons have 2 knobs, one for temo and the other i presume for pressure where the Aqualisa only has one knob for temp, i assuem it pumps of out full all of the time?


edit - 150 for the cost of buying the shower, not the fitting!

Edited by mouk786 on Monday 13th October 00:10

Did your "plumber" advise fitting a 10mm t and
e supply cable ? This shower is drawing about 46 Amps at full chat,
on a 230 Volt supply, new harmonised level is no longer 240V.

Or did he leave the supply at 6mm ?
Because we wouldn't !
Anything above 8.5 KW we uprate the supply......I personally
wouldn't be happy about pulling 46 AMPS through a 6mm cable.

From the 16th ed............I've not done 17th yet,
TABLE A1 ref method 1 ( clipped direct ) @ 70 C.

6MM............ 45 A
10MM............65 A
16MM............90 A

I've also got the 2391 inspection and testing cert, which all the
sparks are aware of. If your shower is wired in 6mm I'd be advising
you to speak to your local NICEIC guy to get it checked.

In reality it's not going to be a problem as electric showers are only used for short periods. And the ambient isn't going to be 70C, even if it runs through an airing cupboard (as they often do).

70 degrees is the maximum cable operating temperature - not the ambient. The tables jag guru quoted are for an ambient temperature of 30 degrees, after which a correction factor should be applied. Correctly sizing cable is important regardless of how long it is run for. It is also possible that the cable will run through thermal insulation in the loft making it more important that the correct cable size is selected.

Dave - qualified spark (as is jag guru I believe)

Edit - just seen jag's reply

Edited by Ganglandboss on Monday 13th October 14:54

Thanks for the support Dave.........hope this
Part P blather in England isn't bankrupting you mate !

[snorky]

Aqualisa Quartz £149 off tinterweb - excellent and easy to fit.