So what do you do when...(It's a tad bit long this)
Discussion
...when you love your job, you love the people, you adore the 30+ mile commute.#
But, you aren't getting the money you want & deserve.
This may be a tad lengthy, so if you're after pictures of redheads or maybe Penny
then I suggest looking elsewhere. For those that want to stick around, grab a mug of tea & settle down.
Here's the scene:
Currently 21
Work 30+ miles away from home
Living with the folks still
Have £475 expenses each month (excluding petrol)
Spend approximately £400 on petrol each month (all bar £50 quid is commuting)
Work a Fri/Sat job which pays my fuel for commuting
Been working at my current job since July 07 (No payrises yet) - Long hours, arriving after being away from home for 12-14hrs, no time/effort to do much else in the evening after the days I have.
My job is hugely varied & very satisfying in the sense I can be on the phone closing several prospective clients one day, on an exhibition stand another day talking to joe public & then unloading 40" containers on another day with customers orders on. I do the whole kaboodle in the way of starting a relationship with a client & giving them the final send off with there order.
Just lately I've had this urge of wanting more money wise, before I was content but now I want to shift things up a gear but nothings happening at my work (Aside form a long overdue bonus scheme which is due to pay up imminently). After a recent situation, I began to re-evaluate my level of employability. I realised I could find a job similar to what I have now, local, & pays similar to what I get at the moment instantly crushing my fuel bill & releasing more cash each month. Most importantly however, it has "prospects", I can be earning considerably more further down the line, this is visible from the outset prior to even applying?
I've set myself a goal of £1,000 disposable per month...It's tough, but do-able on the basis I take a local job that pays similar to what I get now tied in with my weekend job & a 3rd job during weekday evenings, just something small, 2hrs a night would suffice. This combination is the equivalent of if I was at my current job in terms of time I spend "Working", just local instead.
I had decided to go...But part of me wishes I didn't. As I said, I love the job. I some how think the MD got tipped off on how I was feeling & this resulted in a good hour long chat yesterday where we covered everything from how I feel about working here, where I see myself going, what my financial status is, are there any problems at home.
I replied that all was well, but money wise, I need more (gave my reason's etc etc) but basically said that in order for me to keep working here in the future I need that extra cash that fuel would eat up. He took this on board & basically said, if you're willing to "advance" & handle even more responsibility then you can, & we can raise your base salary as part of the "deal".
However, from my calculations, he would need to raise my current salary by 4.5k in order to offset the fuel cost which I want/need removed. I doubt he will...I don't think anyone could. & EVEN if he did that..I'd still only be at 750 disposable PCM. Way off from what I want...& no chance to build on that as by the time I get back in the evenings, no real point starting a 3rd job.
The MD has a reputation amongst us for not being open to negotiation on wages really. The chap I replaced left over not enough pay, a chap that left a few months ago also had a similar issue. My old boss who still works there in just a tech role now was bringing up a young family on just a shade more than I earn at the moment. This is the first time he's ever openly talked about re-negotiating someones salary. But to the extent I need/want it adjusted, do you think he would? Do you think anyone would?
So from that point...It looks pretty obvious what I should do. Follow the money right?
Well...Maybe not. The MD will be leaving in the coming year, my boss will take over his role & I will fill her current role. So I guess...The most senior person there after her? The firm currently employs 4 F/T & 2 P/T staff at the mo including me. So I'd like to think if I stay, it'll be worth it in the long run in terms of job security, pay, etc etc.
But if I go, I run the gauntlet, start again.
Have you ever started again? Wish you hadnt? Best thing you ever did?
Am I thinking about job security too early in life?
Am I being greedy? My goal is to get the TVR bug out the way first, once that's over, focus on a deposit for my own place with a view to having a nice big deposit come 25/26 & move out then. I don't want to put that in jeopardy, but at the same time, I can't reach those targets if I'm not earning what I want/need to be earning.
They're just a few of the questions swirling round my head at the mo. If you made it this far, bravo. If you haven't read all of it & would like to advise me to "Grow a pair", that's also appreciated
I think I may have just needed to vent it all so I can work through it all "in front" of me as it were. I don't know, as per my other threads recently regarding jobs, I'm always open to hearing other viewpoints.
Related posts:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
More recent:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/forum.asp?h=0&a...
But, you aren't getting the money you want & deserve.
This may be a tad lengthy, so if you're after pictures of redheads or maybe Penny
then I suggest looking elsewhere. For those that want to stick around, grab a mug of tea & settle down.========================================================================================
Here's the scene:
Currently 21
Work 30+ miles away from home
Living with the folks still
Have £475 expenses each month (excluding petrol)
Spend approximately £400 on petrol each month (all bar £50 quid is commuting)
Work a Fri/Sat job which pays my fuel for commuting
Been working at my current job since July 07 (No payrises yet) - Long hours, arriving after being away from home for 12-14hrs, no time/effort to do much else in the evening after the days I have.
My job is hugely varied & very satisfying in the sense I can be on the phone closing several prospective clients one day, on an exhibition stand another day talking to joe public & then unloading 40" containers on another day with customers orders on. I do the whole kaboodle in the way of starting a relationship with a client & giving them the final send off with there order.
Just lately I've had this urge of wanting more money wise, before I was content but now I want to shift things up a gear but nothings happening at my work (Aside form a long overdue bonus scheme which is due to pay up imminently). After a recent situation, I began to re-evaluate my level of employability. I realised I could find a job similar to what I have now, local, & pays similar to what I get at the moment instantly crushing my fuel bill & releasing more cash each month. Most importantly however, it has "prospects", I can be earning considerably more further down the line, this is visible from the outset prior to even applying?
I've set myself a goal of £1,000 disposable per month...It's tough, but do-able on the basis I take a local job that pays similar to what I get now tied in with my weekend job & a 3rd job during weekday evenings, just something small, 2hrs a night would suffice. This combination is the equivalent of if I was at my current job in terms of time I spend "Working", just local instead.
I had decided to go...But part of me wishes I didn't. As I said, I love the job. I some how think the MD got tipped off on how I was feeling & this resulted in a good hour long chat yesterday where we covered everything from how I feel about working here, where I see myself going, what my financial status is, are there any problems at home.
I replied that all was well, but money wise, I need more (gave my reason's etc etc) but basically said that in order for me to keep working here in the future I need that extra cash that fuel would eat up. He took this on board & basically said, if you're willing to "advance" & handle even more responsibility then you can, & we can raise your base salary as part of the "deal".
However, from my calculations, he would need to raise my current salary by 4.5k in order to offset the fuel cost which I want/need removed. I doubt he will...I don't think anyone could. & EVEN if he did that..I'd still only be at 750 disposable PCM. Way off from what I want...& no chance to build on that as by the time I get back in the evenings, no real point starting a 3rd job.
The MD has a reputation amongst us for not being open to negotiation on wages really. The chap I replaced left over not enough pay, a chap that left a few months ago also had a similar issue. My old boss who still works there in just a tech role now was bringing up a young family on just a shade more than I earn at the moment. This is the first time he's ever openly talked about re-negotiating someones salary. But to the extent I need/want it adjusted, do you think he would? Do you think anyone would?
So from that point...It looks pretty obvious what I should do. Follow the money right?
Well...Maybe not. The MD will be leaving in the coming year, my boss will take over his role & I will fill her current role. So I guess...The most senior person there after her? The firm currently employs 4 F/T & 2 P/T staff at the mo including me. So I'd like to think if I stay, it'll be worth it in the long run in terms of job security, pay, etc etc.
But if I go, I run the gauntlet, start again.
Have you ever started again? Wish you hadnt? Best thing you ever did?
Am I thinking about job security too early in life?
Am I being greedy? My goal is to get the TVR bug out the way first, once that's over, focus on a deposit for my own place with a view to having a nice big deposit come 25/26 & move out then. I don't want to put that in jeopardy, but at the same time, I can't reach those targets if I'm not earning what I want/need to be earning.
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They're just a few of the questions swirling round my head at the mo. If you made it this far, bravo. If you haven't read all of it & would like to advise me to "Grow a pair", that's also appreciated
I think I may have just needed to vent it all so I can work through it all "in front" of me as it were. I don't know, as per my other threads recently regarding jobs, I'm always open to hearing other viewpoints.
Related posts:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
More recent:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/forum.asp?h=0&a...
three options:
1/ be patient. Sounds like big changes afoot that you might benefit from. The road is long and all that.
2/ if you're as flexible as you say you are then you're worth the money. BUT Ask, Don't threaten (i'll leave if you don't
blah)
3/ grow a pair and leave, you know they're riding you.
1/ be patient. Sounds like big changes afoot that you might benefit from. The road is long and all that.
2/ if you're as flexible as you say you are then you're worth the money. BUT Ask, Don't threaten (i'll leave if you don't
blah)
3/ grow a pair and leave, you know they're riding you.
From skimming your post my advice is, stick with it for a while if its secure and you have no other options. If you can cut the commute out then maybe that would help. Though my first job involved a 30 mile each way commute into the countryside and that was a great way to add hoonage to the day and split home and work nicely.
Relax about having targets you may not see them as being managable but they are. I saw an ST170 focus when they first came out in 2002 and told myself I will have one of those before they are old and useless at the time I was earning £14k a year and still studying part time and had a mortgage. 3 years later I bought a nearly new one and was happy.
My only other target was to be earning £30k before I turned 30. I am a few quid off that right now, but in a secure job where the only way is up so if I miss by a few quid I'll take it.
The House thing just landed in my lap, was earning next to bugger all but bought a house for just over twice my salary at the time. I think if I hadn't got it when I did I would now be driving something shiny but living with the parents as I would be stuck.
Relax about having targets you may not see them as being managable but they are. I saw an ST170 focus when they first came out in 2002 and told myself I will have one of those before they are old and useless at the time I was earning £14k a year and still studying part time and had a mortgage. 3 years later I bought a nearly new one and was happy.
My only other target was to be earning £30k before I turned 30. I am a few quid off that right now, but in a secure job where the only way is up so if I miss by a few quid I'll take it.
The House thing just landed in my lap, was earning next to bugger all but bought a house for just over twice my salary at the time. I think if I hadn't got it when I did I would now be driving something shiny but living with the parents as I would be stuck.
Is now the right time to be moving?
Will staying give you a cushion against redundancy if things get tight for the company (last in, first out)?
Sounds like you're happy. Can you guarantee that in the new job?
If you wait until the MD leaves and you're still not happy is job #2 likely to still be an option?
You describe the MD as perhaps not very caring or approachable but he came to you this time? Any idea why? Soft spot for you? Easing up in his old age? Or maybe he recognises a good worker, has lost good people in the past by being intransigent and has learned a lesson?
Sorry, no answers but maybe a few points to mull over.
Will staying give you a cushion against redundancy if things get tight for the company (last in, first out)?
Sounds like you're happy. Can you guarantee that in the new job?
If you wait until the MD leaves and you're still not happy is job #2 likely to still be an option?
You describe the MD as perhaps not very caring or approachable but he came to you this time? Any idea why? Soft spot for you? Easing up in his old age? Or maybe he recognises a good worker, has lost good people in the past by being intransigent and has learned a lesson?
Sorry, no answers but maybe a few points to mull over.
Flintstone said:
Is now the right time to be moving?
Will staying give you a cushion against redundancy if things get tight for the company (last in, first out)?
Sounds like you're happy. Can you guarantee that in the new job?
If you wait until the MD leaves and you're still not happy is job #2 likely to still be an option?
You describe the MD as perhaps not very caring or approachable but he came to you this time? Any idea why? Soft spot for you? Easing up in his old age? Or maybe he recognises a good worker, has lost good people in the past by being intransigent and has learned a lesson?
Sorry, no answers but maybe a few points to mull over.
Hmm...Good points.Will staying give you a cushion against redundancy if things get tight for the company (last in, first out)?
Sounds like you're happy. Can you guarantee that in the new job?
If you wait until the MD leaves and you're still not happy is job #2 likely to still be an option?
You describe the MD as perhaps not very caring or approachable but he came to you this time? Any idea why? Soft spot for you? Easing up in his old age? Or maybe he recognises a good worker, has lost good people in the past by being intransigent and has learned a lesson?
Sorry, no answers but maybe a few points to mull over.
Things are unlikely to become tight but then again, you never know. They're healthy at the mo & have been for the past year, if anything business as of late has been VERY good & over the coming few days should sky rocket & keep us ticking over through till Xmas & beyond. If they did...I SHOULD be ok, purely because currently I'm the engine of the place.
Am I happy? Very, quite lucky to find a job I'm happy with so early on. Could I guarantee that same level of satisfaction in another job? Nope, purely because the product we sell is unique & for want of a better word, "upmarket". It has real class & elegance about it & comparing it with other roles which involve the selling of other products, nothing really matches it.
About the MD. He's a great guy out of the office, awesome sense of humour. As a boss, he's good in the sense that he lets you get on & it's rare that I'm on the receiving end of a tongue lashing. Approachable to an extent, but depends on the mood. The thing about him, he's one of a handful of people I've met in my life who I find difficult to read on what they're thinking/feeling. He's got a great poker face & you can't tell what he will say or do until he opens his mouth...One of those kinds of people. I like him, although he's very much an enigma at the moment, has been since I met him really.
I've been mulling over things this morning when driving in. Reading some of the views here, maybe I should just stick it out a bit longer & see where it leads. It's tempting to go elsewhere but if I stay, there's potential in future for me to have a secure life in the future...We shall see.
21 ? Still at home ? What you spend on fuel, you could spend on being independent, getting a rented flat, or a room in a shared house closer to work. Or because you have no commitments, you could take some reasonable risks without losing everything, because you have nothing to loose.
Take it from me, as a 41 year old. Work is just a means to an end. Decide what you want from the next 20 years and work out how to get it.
Could you start a business in your spare time, could you offer to buy into the company you work for, or could you set up a competing business. What skills don't you have to get where you want to be?
Take it from me, as a 41 year old. Work is just a means to an end. Decide what you want from the next 20 years and work out how to get it.
Could you start a business in your spare time, could you offer to buy into the company you work for, or could you set up a competing business. What skills don't you have to get where you want to be?
a)1K disposable at your age is quite an ambitious target for a secure "no risk" type of job.
b)Now is not a good time to risk moving jobs because of the current problems in world economy.
c)Large engined cars are starting to drop in value, wait a little longer and you will pay less for it.
d)In the meantime, find a cheap to run snotter for your commute!
HTH
b)Now is not a good time to risk moving jobs because of the current problems in world economy.
c)Large engined cars are starting to drop in value, wait a little longer and you will pay less for it.
d)In the meantime, find a cheap to run snotter for your commute!
HTH
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