Flueless Gas Fires

[silver.fox.2008]

Does any body have any advice on these. I hear there 100% efficient just need to be connected to a gas supply (natural or LPG)

Can anybody recommend a flueless Gas Fire that they've had fitted.

What are the pros and cons? From what i've read there are not many cons. Just after peoples opinions.

Thanks

[GTIR]

Interesting...

Just Googled it.
Catalytic converter type setup, one would have to keep it in top condition.


Interesting...

[silver.fox.2008]

I've been here and did a little reading.

http://www.burley.co.uk/information.php?cid=2

From what i can tell it all seems pretty safe and quite popular in Japan and USA

[69 coupe]

I've never faffed about with them, just what I've been told.
I was doing my ACS gas course, and the trainers/lecturers reckon that Catalytic fires are extremely dangerous if they malfunction carbon monoxide everywhere.
It doesn't take much CO to kill.

Taken from Wikepeda

35 ppm (0.0035%) Headache and dizziness within six to eight hours of constant exposure
100 ppm (0.01%) Slight headache in two to three hours
200 ppm (0.02%) Slight headache within two to three hours
400 ppm (0.04%) Frontal headache within one to two hours
800 ppm (0.08%) Dizziness, nausea, and convulsions within 45 minutes. Insensible within two hours.
1,600 ppm (0.16%) Headache, dizziness, and nausea within 20 minutes. Death in less than two hours.
3,200 ppm (0.32%) Headache, dizziness and nausea in five to ten minutes. Death within 30 minutes.
6,400 ppm (0.64%) Headache and dizziness in one to two minutes. Death in less than 20 minutes.
12,800 ppm (1.28%) Unconsciousness after 2-3 breaths[citation needed]. Death in less than three minutes

[Ireland]

I wouldn't buy one.

I like being alive.

[Ferg]

I've fitted a Burley.
They are 100% efficient because all the burnt gas ends up in the room not up a chimney.
I have to say, however, that oxy-pilot or not I wouldn't chose to fit one. The one I did was for a developer and was a deviation from the original spec.

I know they are are 'safe', but I'd prefer not to get involved if at all possible. CO is such a nasty fker.

[jeff m]

I have a flueless, although it is one of the "dancing flame" ornamental log type.
Not designed to throw out tone of heat. I doubt it would be capaple of heating even just that room during the winter. (gets down to 10F here some years)

The with flue ones that need the chimney open are quite spectacular and suprisingly realistic. Most of those are quite large and require a "large" fireplace. Think old farmhouse. These do not even have a BTU rating.
But will make you go out and buy chestnuts. They even have sound effects crackling noises
So flueless, for supplemental heating is a yes.

I would recc a C.Monoxide alarm if you do.

[dirkgently]

Ferg said:

I've fitted a Burley.
They are 100% efficient because all the burnt gas ends up in the room not up a chimney.
I have to say, however, that oxy-pilot or not I wouldn't chose to fit one. The one I did was for a developer and was a deviation from the original spec.

I know they are are 'safe', but I'd prefer not to get involved if at all possible. CO is such a nasty fker.

They are safe, but they need to be correctly installed and maintained

[Elskeggso]

Not many Corgi blokes will touch them. Apparently this is because of one that was installed, but not correctly set up in the factory. The Corgi fitter didn't do the relevant checks during fitting, which if he did do he would have noticed the problem, and the customer died, and the Corgi man either went to prison or got into a whole world of st. I only heard this through the industry so I don't know how exaggerated it is. Also you need an airvent in the room, and they can cause a lot of condensation. Power/Turbo flue or balanced flue would be better if you really want gas.

[Ferg]

dirkgently said:

Ferg said:

I've fitted a Burley.
They are 100% efficient because all the burnt gas ends up in the room not up a chimney.
I have to say, however, that oxy-pilot or not I wouldn't chose to fit one. The one I did was for a developer and was a deviation from the original spec.

I know they are are 'safe', but I'd prefer not to get involved if at all possible. CO is such a nasty fker.

They are safe, but they need to be correctly installed and maintained

Indeed!! LOL!!

[69 coupe]

Elskeggso said:

Not many Corgi blokes will touch them. Apparently this is because of one that was installed, but not correctly set up in the factory. The Corgi fitter didn't do the relevant checks during fitting, which if he did do he would have noticed the problem, and the customer died, and the Corgi man either went to prison or got into a whole world of st. I only heard this through the industry so I don't know how exaggerated it is. Also you need an airvent in the room, and they can cause a lot of condensation. Power/Turbo flue or balanced flue would be better if you really want gas.

Ah yes, I remember the Lecturer going on about that, I think the installer had to do prison or was going through court proceedings.

Wasn't the appliance fitted with the wrong burner jet, installer didn't do a gas rate test or burner pressure test which would have shown appliance was burning to much product for the appliance.

I believe they are not properly covered by the HSE /GSR (gas safety regs) but are covered by the manufacturers, an installer will have to follow the manufacturers instructions.
They do look nice, but are really only supplemental to a better heat source.

These appliances do not give out much heat, also need air vents of a certain size in the room.

[E31Shrew]

We've had one for th epast 5 years and they're fine. All you will need to do is get an air brick installed if you havent already got one. Not 100% sure how long the cats last for though. For us it would've cost a fortune to put flues in

[69 coupe]

E31Shrew said:

We've had one for th epast 5 years and they're fine. All you will need to do is get an air brick installed if you havent already got one. Not 100% sure how long the cats last for though. For us it would've cost a fortune to put flues in

Thats the problem how do you know when the Cats has giving up the ghost.
I guess an oxygen depletion sensor should lock out the lighting of the appliance if this is the case, lets hope the ODS is not faulty.

Edited by 69 coupe on Saturday 4th October 16:48

[Iain328]

You can buy CO detectors/alarms (much like a smoke alarm) for 20 to 30 quid - would seem like a sensible thing to have in the same room as one of these flueless gas fires.....

see http://www.safelincs.co.uk/section.php?xSec=42 for example..

[rigga]

E31Shrew said:

We've had one for th epast 5 years and they're fine. All you will need to do is get an air brick installed if you havent already got one. Not 100% sure how long the cats last for though. For us it would've cost a fortune to put flues in

Same position for us as the chimney needed relining before we could use a conventional fire,fitted a fluless stove unit with an airbrick for added ventalation and its been excellent for the last 6 years or so

[GTIR]

dirkgently said:

Ferg said:

I've fitted a Burley.
They are 100% efficient because all the burnt gas ends up in the room not up a chimney.
I have to say, however, that oxy-pilot or not I wouldn't chose to fit one. The one I did was for a developer and was a deviation from the original spec.

I know they are are 'safe', but I'd prefer not to get involved if at all possible. CO is such a nasty fker.

They are safe, but they need to be correctly installed and maintained

Why is that funny?

[dirkgently]

GTIR said:

dirkgently said:

Ferg said:

I've fitted a Burley.
They are 100% efficient because all the burnt gas ends up in the room not up a chimney.
I have to say, however, that oxy-pilot or not I wouldn't chose to fit one. The one I did was for a developer and was a deviation from the original spec.

I know they are are 'safe', but I'd prefer not to get involved if at all possible. CO is such a nasty fker.

They are safe, but they need to be correctly installed and maintained

Why is that funny?

How often do you see crap installs? and how many gas appliances are serviced regularly?

[Smart roadster]

What happens to all the water created by the combustion? Surely these things will fill your house with moisture.

[rigga]

Smart roadster said:

What happens to all the water created by the combustion? Surely these things will fill your house with moisture.

no moisture problems here...... not exactly sure of its inner workings,but not had any issues since ours was fitted.

[Pigeon]

Smart roadster said:

What happens to all the water created by the combustion? Surely these things will fill your house with moisture.

Yeah, any flueless heater burning a hydrocarbon fuel which is sized to heat an average room will chuck out (off the top of my head) something like a pint an hour of water in the form of vapour. Puddles on the windowsills and everything. When my parents moved into their current house (nearly 30 years ago) the central heating was knackered and they used free standing paraffin heaters instead, which are the same thing in terms of water emission - well nearly, they're not quite as bad as a methane burning appliance. Water everywhere there was.