Production run numbers.
Production run numbers.
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AntonyJ

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5,254 posts

311 months

Thursday 25th September 2008
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Recently there was a thread with all the production figures back to the start of the modern Griff to Sagaris, anybody remember?
I have searched but cannot find it.

V8 GRF

7,299 posts

240 months

Thursday 25th September 2008
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The numbers aren't as accurate as they appear. Some figures are deffo wrong and breaking them down by years is only a guess. For example the numbers of Griffiths, Chimaeras and Cerberas are not known exactly as all the chassis produced were combined into a simgle figure.
The table was produced for a owner to import his car into NZ and neede to prove that TVR were a low volume producer so the figures didn't need to be 100% correct and just ballpark.

Thread here

Omerta

2,013 posts

281 months

Thursday 25th September 2008
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Like I said when I posted them, they came from a reputable source. I'm not sure why you're so keen to discredit them...

tubbystu

3,846 posts

290 months

Thursday 25th September 2008
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Omerta said:
Like I said when I posted them, they came from a reputable source. I'm not sure why you're so keen to discredit them...
As V8 GRF says, the chassis count is one number across more than one model and it is fairly common knowledge that the factory records were not always exactly spot onwink IYGMD

Omerta

2,013 posts

281 months

Thursday 25th September 2008
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I didn't say they were based on chassis numbers. I don't know what they were based on TBH - but they came from Ben Lang. I don't know the guy - maybe you do - but given his position wouldn't you think he'd be able to come up with something pretty accurate (if not 100%)?

V8 GRF

7,299 posts

240 months

Thursday 25th September 2008
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I know Ben Lang quite well and indeed it was he, in agreement with DO, who said that there were only 2 official Sagaris II cars built by TVR when I was speaking to them for the article on the recent preview event, clearly not what it says on the list he supplied to you. I also believe that glow worm disputed the figures for Tuscan II convertibles.

It's a well known fact that TVR didn't keep accurate production figures (confused) and there are different numbers for most models from several 'official' sources quoted in books, for example the Griffith. 2445 in 'The Bible', Mike Penny's estimate of 2265 for an article in 'Classic Cars' to the figure quoted in your table, all different.

I'm pointing out that the figures supplied for your purpose only needed to indicate that TVR didn't produce large numbers of cars and as such did not need to be accurate.


Edited by V8 GRF on Thursday 25th September 22:05

Omerta

2,013 posts

281 months

Thursday 25th September 2008
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Frustrating... would be really nice to get a handle on this. As you know Ben well, how about clearing this up by giving him a bell and asking how reliable he thinks these figures actually are? Or at least find out what was being counted?

gareth.e

2,071 posts

219 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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V8 GRF said:
RANT RANT RANT
Ask him for the figures yourself then.

JR

14,332 posts

288 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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Omerta said:
Like I said when I posted them, they came from a reputable source. I'm not sure why you're so keen to discredit them...
Omerta said:
These are build numbers, not registrations:
Whilst not completely accurate they are a good guide and put paid to the "in the days when TVR made over 2,000 cars a year" statements.

TVR_owner

3,349 posts

221 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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JR said:
Omerta said:
Like I said when I posted them, they came from a reputable source. I'm not sure why you're so keen to discredit them...
Omerta said:
These are build numbers, not registrations:
Whilst not completely accurate they are a good guide and put paid to the "in the days when TVR made over 2,000 cars a year" statements.
That they are better than what we had is open to debate, a concern is that the Sagaris figures are way over what the figures given by M Penny of 125.

If that one model can be out by so much, why should anyone (that gives a toss) have faith in the rest??


V8 GRF

7,299 posts

240 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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gareth.e said:
V8 GRF said:
RANT RANT RANT
Ask him for the figures yourself then.
How on earth is what I posted a rant? It is, in my opinion, a lucid explaination of why those figures should not be taken as gospel nothing more nothing less.

Personally I'm not interested in how many cars were built because they'll bear no resemblance to the number of cars still out there.

Roo.

11,504 posts

237 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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It wasn't uncommon in the late 90's to have 5.0 litre cars registered as a different model i.e. Chimaera's as Griff's etc.

We were led to believe that this was due to hitting production limits for specific models so they had to be registered as different model so as not fall foul of the smaal manufacturer exemption.

Omerta

2,013 posts

281 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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V8 GRF said:
Personally I'm not interested in how many cars were built because they'll bear no resemblance to the number of cars still out there.
Well that's handy then, saves you making a phone call to your good mate Ben.

V8 GRF

7,299 posts

240 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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Omerta said:
V8 GRF said:
Personally I'm not interested in how many cars were built because they'll bear no resemblance to the number of cars still out there.
Well that's handy then, saves you making a phone call to your good mate Ben.
OK I'll ask him the next time I see him.

Omerta

2,013 posts

281 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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V8 GRF said:
Omerta said:
V8 GRF said:
Personally I'm not interested in how many cars were built because they'll bear no resemblance to the number of cars still out there.
Well that's handy then, saves you making a phone call to your good mate Ben.
OK I'll ask him the next time I see him.
Thank you - there is genuine interest from many people.

brem

187 posts

314 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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would be interesting to know how many of them were LHD cars!
anyone a clue?

peter

Ballistic Banana

14,706 posts

297 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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brem said:
would be interesting to know how many of them were LHD cars!
anyone a clue?

peter
There were some

Guess all the Chimps made abroad were!!! were they?
Cant remember seeing to many Griffiths made in LHD

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dhf

1,103 posts

224 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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i think you will find most of the cars made in asia were actually right hand drive as they were made for the right hand drive market in asia

Omerta

2,013 posts

281 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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TVR_owner said:
That they are better than what we had is open to debate, a concern is that the Sagaris figures are way over what the figures given by M Penny of 125.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

156 Sagarii identified here by PH owners, plus 7 more 'spotted'. Assuming there are more tucked up in garages owned by non-PHers and overseas, I'd say Ben's figure is looking a better bet than Mr Penny's.

Edited by Omerta on Friday 26th September 22:05

Ballistic Banana

14,706 posts

297 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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dhf said:
i think you will find most of the cars made in asia were actually right hand drive as they were made for the right hand drive market in asia
I thought as much boxedin my memory is like a sieve

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