Working for UK Borders Agency (BIA)
Discussion
After watching the series on Sky 1 I quite fancy the job too. Beating down doors screaming "GET ON THE FLOOR IT@S A MOFOING RAID!!" it'll do the anger management no end of good.
Also think of all the free curries as all the slop house owners are going to want to keep you sweet.
Or it maybe just knocking on the doors of sweaty s
tholes that are full of sweating young males who'll st themselves when you say deport.
Also think of all the free curries as all the slop house owners are going to want to keep you sweet.
Or it maybe just knocking on the doors of sweaty s
tholes that are full of sweating young males who'll st themselves when you say deport.Can you ask her to find out who was the half-wit who decided it was a good idea to put bloody great "UK Border" signs in the airports leading to passport control. Perhaps she can tell the cretin that a border demarcates the adjoining boundaries of two countries. Last time I checked, the UK was an island. THERE IS NO 'BORDER'. By the time you get of the plane YOU'RE ALREADY IN THE UK.
Twunts.
Twunts.
Edited by audidoody on Thursday 25th September 00:22
She's joining the UKBA aka BIA/Immigration..? Two immigration officers "work" in the same little building as we operate from. They normally vanish around midnight and reappear around 0500hrs and play games on the pc when they're here. They do a bit of work/photo taking/telling drivers off etc when we find people they missed in Calais.
HOWEVER.... "We" are now "UK BorderForce" which incorporates (or will shortly when they get the laws and logistics sorted) HM Customs and the BIA. The BIA staff are about to receive a rather scary shock in this part of the world as they are due to be trained to do the same as us and vice versa apparently. However, we actually work constantly through the night as opposed to vanishing and it's hard graft here in the Customs Inward Freight Controls. The BIA based in Calais miss quite a lot of their "customers" and the result is we sweep up an awful lot of them.
On the other hand, their job at the moment seems like a walk in the park. Tell her to get in, learn the job, do it well, get secure, keep her head down and graft. It's not a bad life in the Civil Service (crap pay, but not a bad job).
Tell her to enjoy it and any opportunity she gets, jump over to the Customs side of it. It's much more interesting and when you find 200kg coke in the back of a truck, it's a good feeling. As it is, if we find illegals that Calais BIA miss, we know they'll get into the system of freebies and handouts, so it's a downer that they miss so many.
HOWEVER.... "We" are now "UK BorderForce" which incorporates (or will shortly when they get the laws and logistics sorted) HM Customs and the BIA. The BIA staff are about to receive a rather scary shock in this part of the world as they are due to be trained to do the same as us and vice versa apparently. However, we actually work constantly through the night as opposed to vanishing and it's hard graft here in the Customs Inward Freight Controls. The BIA based in Calais miss quite a lot of their "customers" and the result is we sweep up an awful lot of them.
On the other hand, their job at the moment seems like a walk in the park. Tell her to get in, learn the job, do it well, get secure, keep her head down and graft. It's not a bad life in the Civil Service (crap pay, but not a bad job).
Tell her to enjoy it and any opportunity she gets, jump over to the Customs side of it. It's much more interesting and when you find 200kg coke in the back of a truck, it's a good feeling. As it is, if we find illegals that Calais BIA miss, we know they'll get into the system of freebies and handouts, so it's a downer that they miss so many.
audidoody said:
Can you ask her to find out who was the half-wit who decided it was a good idea to put bloody great "UK Border" signs in the airports leading to passport control. Perhaps she can tell the cretin that a border demarcates the adjoining boundaries of two countries. Last time I checked, the UK was an island. THERE IS NO 'BORDER'. By the time you get of the plane YOU'RE ALREADY IN THE UK.
Twunts.
Except that there is a border in the airport - when you go 'airside' you are no longer within the UK, hence it is duty free Twunts.
I think you will find that the "UK" borders extend past "airside" and in reality you are within the UK border until you pass the UK airspace demarcation zone, or until you enter international waters, and that duty free, is actually a concession given to specific areas within a departure-arrival point in the UK.
Please note that although the items maybe marketed as duty free, the retailer often sells the items at the same, if not a higher price, than can be obtained on the high street of any UK town/city/village.
Please note that although the items maybe marketed as duty free, the retailer often sells the items at the same, if not a higher price, than can be obtained on the high street of any UK town/city/village.
With the TV series, it gets me where they seize people who dont have a passport and release them on bail until further information is found and a decision is made?
Yet if they are found with a non EU passport and no valid visa they deport them immediately?
I appreciate we only have limited cell/detention space, so shouldnt it be the case that if you cant provide a passport at all you get deported, end of?
Got to admit, some of the fakers with their sob stories have been very convincing until you get the end voiceover often telling the real (and complete opposite) story
Piss boiler for me, especially when you see the Dom Littlewood program this week on the PCT's (NHS) and how they tell people they cant have lifesaving cancer drugs or drugs that will stop them going blind (in the blind case, a lot of pensioners that have paid there NI for 40+ years)
Yet if they are found with a non EU passport and no valid visa they deport them immediately?
I appreciate we only have limited cell/detention space, so shouldnt it be the case that if you cant provide a passport at all you get deported, end of?
Got to admit, some of the fakers with their sob stories have been very convincing until you get the end voiceover often telling the real (and complete opposite) story
Piss boiler for me, especially when you see the Dom Littlewood program this week on the PCT's (NHS) and how they tell people they cant have lifesaving cancer drugs or drugs that will stop them going blind (in the blind case, a lot of pensioners that have paid there NI for 40+ years)
slow_poke said:
audidoody said:
Last time I checked, the UK was an island. THERE IS NO 'BORDER'.
Nope. GB may be an island, but the UK has quite a sizeable land border with the RoI.just for accuracy, like.
edit for accuracy.....d'Oh!
Edited by slow_poke on Thursday 25th September 09:59
SLCZ3 said:
I think you will find that the "UK" borders extend past "airside" and in reality you are within the UK border until you pass the UK airspace demarcation zone, or until you enter international waters, and that duty free, is actually a concession given to specific areas within a departure-arrival point in the UK.
Please note that although the items maybe marketed as duty free, the retailer often sells the items at the same, if not a higher price, than can be obtained on the high street of any UK town/city/village.
During any journey across either international waters or airspace, there are two rates of excise duty during the journey, one being the country of departure and the other being the country of destination, VAT remaining at the rate of the country of departure. Ferry operators will/can work out the rate of duty depending on where and when the goods are sold, and whilst therefore goods sold will always bear duty throughout a journey, operators are able to arrange their sales to ensure that goods are sold outside UK waters or airspace to benefit from any possible lower duty rates in the country of destination. Please note that although the items maybe marketed as duty free, the retailer often sells the items at the same, if not a higher price, than can be obtained on the high street of any UK town/city/village.
Those travellers going via Dover to Calais on ferries, will have noticed that P&O and do not open their shops until they leave UK waters, where the operators are then able to sale goods at the lower French duty rate, these shops remaining open until the ferries are on their return journeys and about to enter UK waters.
The above however does not apply to food and drink either bought from bars or restaurants on ferries, aircraft or cruise ships, or part of a ship’s stores, all of these being classed as being for consumption during the journey and therefore duty free. Those posters who ever travelled on Sea France may have noticed that when buying excise goods at the bar, these goods were not only slightly cheaper than their shop, but were also tax stamped together with no limit on the quantity you could buy, whereas P&O placed a restriction on what a passenger could purchase.
Several years ago I became interested in a case involving HMR&C and a yacht operating as a floating off-license in the North Sea. Whilst this yacht was anchored outside UK waters, there was nothing wrong with either the enterprise of the yacht’s owner, or that of the customers travelling out from the UK to make their purchases.In the case of the latter, since the country of departure and their only country of destination is the same, the purchased goods are subject to UK rate of duty, therefore subject to seizure under CEMA 1979. Whilst this yacht was in international waters the owner was not accountable to UK laws, but once entering port, and certainly due to the well publicised activities of the owner, the cargo was almost certain and subject to seizure, for the owner can hardly argue that the cargo was the ship’s stores, or that he was either operating tourists trips between EU countries or by way of cruises.
Wings said:
SLCZ3 said:
I think you will find that the "UK" borders extend past "airside" and in reality you are within the UK border until you pass the UK airspace demarcation zone, or until you enter international waters, and that duty free, is actually a concession given to specific areas within a departure-arrival point in the UK.
Please note that although the items maybe marketed as duty free, the retailer often sells the items at the same, if not a higher price, than can be obtained on the high street of any UK town/city/village.
During any journey across either international waters or airspace, there are two rates of excise duty during the journey, one being the country of departure and the other being the country of destination, VAT remaining at the rate of the country of departure. Ferry operators will/can work out the rate of duty depending on where and when the goods are sold, and whilst therefore goods sold will always bear duty throughout a journey, operators are able to arrange their sales to ensure that goods are sold outside UK waters or airspace to benefit from any possible lower duty rates in the country of destination. Please note that although the items maybe marketed as duty free, the retailer often sells the items at the same, if not a higher price, than can be obtained on the high street of any UK town/city/village.
Those travellers going via Dover to Calais on ferries, will have noticed that P&O and do not open their shops until they leave UK waters, where the operators are then able to sale goods at the lower French duty rate, these shops remaining open until the ferries are on their return journeys and about to enter UK waters.
The above however does not apply to food and drink either bought from bars or restaurants on ferries, aircraft or cruise ships, or part of a ship’s stores, all of these being classed as being for consumption during the journey and therefore duty free. Those posters who ever travelled on Sea France may have noticed that when buying excise goods at the bar, these goods were not only slightly cheaper than their shop, but were also tax stamped together with no limit on the quantity you could buy, whereas P&O placed a restriction on what a passenger could purchase.
Several years ago I became interested in a case involving HMR&C and a yacht operating as a floating off-license in the North Sea. Whilst this yacht was anchored outside UK waters, there was nothing wrong with either the enterprise of the yacht’s owner, or that of the customers travelling out from the UK to make their purchases.In the case of the latter, since the country of departure and their only country of destination is the same, the purchased goods are subject to UK rate of duty, therefore subject to seizure under CEMA 1979. Whilst this yacht was in international waters the owner was not accountable to UK laws, but once entering port, and certainly due to the well publicised activities of the owner, the cargo was almost certain and subject to seizure, for the owner can hardly argue that the cargo was the ship’s stores, or that he was either operating tourists trips between EU countries or by way of cruises.
For my part, I'm just as happy to tell the government where they can stick their laws, and if push comes to shove, I'd rather just not buy anything in the first place. f
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