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Stig

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11,823 posts

313 months

Wednesday 17th September 2008
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Interesting to see in the latest copy of Evo, that having 'properly' tested the (overpriced, overhyped and unreliable IMHO) Caparo T1, it gets a sound thrashing by the good old Ult GTR720

0-60mph 3.8 secs (GTR720 2.6secs)
0-100mph- 6.2secs (GTR720 5.3secs)
0-100mph-0 11.3 secs (GTR720 9.4 secs)

standing 1/4mile- 11 secs (GTR720 9.9secs)

smile

deadscoob

2,265 posts

289 months

Wednesday 17th September 2008
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Well, I think that sound thrashing would be reversed as soon as bends appear.

Might be a handful, but it's a bloody quicky handful. Reckon it would be 5 seconds a lap quicker round the Bedford circuit than a high spec Ultima?

Its 60-100 time is quicker too.

I don't like them, but they are certainly quick and I doubt there's a road legal Ultima on the planet that will stay close on most tracks.

Edited by deadscoob on Wednesday 17th September 16:06

MHunter

125 posts

220 months

Wednesday 17th September 2008
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Didn't Top Gear test the T1 at 1:10 around their track? That's 2 sec. faster than the Ultima. But I also heard T1 engineers themselves say they couldn't do more than 5 or 10 miles on a regular road in a T1 before popping a vertebra.


Stig

Original Poster:

11,823 posts

313 months

Wednesday 17th September 2008
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MHunter said:
Didn't Top Gear test the T1 at 1:10 around their track? That's 2 sec. faster than the Ultima. But I also heard T1 engineers themselves say they couldn't do more than 5 or 10 miles on a regular road in a T1 before popping a vertebra.
"As one of the most popular BBC television shows worldwide, Top Gear, had their anonymous race track driver, the Stig, put the T1 through its paces on their makeshift airport race track with astonishing results. Smashing the previous record held by the the Koenigsegg CCX the Caparo T1's lap time was a full seven seconds quicker at 1 min 10.6 seconds. Despite the almost vulgar display of performance, Top Gear rule makers disqualified the T1 from making their final results since it is required that each eligible contender must have a minimum ride height which allows clear passage over a speed bump"

So yes - it was quicker, but not, it won't go over a speed bump smile

The GTR posted a 1min12.8secs which (at almost 5 secs quicker than the Koenigsegg CCX) isn't exactly shabby.

Against the T1, the Ult could almost be described as the 'practical' option though hehe

qwick

530 posts

296 months

Wednesday 17th September 2008
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Different drivers though, I wonder.... will we ever know?

YOGIBEAR666

10 posts

236 months

Friday 19th September 2008
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Says in the artical that they are going to the ring and are gonna try and beet Stephan Bellofs outright laprecord of 6min 11 sec. Round the corners the T1 will be ahead but top on the ultima will be quicker

d3vine

699 posts

297 months

Friday 19th September 2008
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But would that mean the T1 needs slicks to do it? Highly unlikely on street tires, that car can generate 3Gs on the bends.

Edited by d3vine on Friday 19th September 01:44

ezakimak

1,871 posts

265 months

Friday 19th September 2008
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if any car is generating enough download to record 3Gs then there is going to be a certain amount of heat and energy going into the tyres. Like anything else on the vehicle, it will need to be engerneed to cope with this.

i dont fancy running around a corner at 3Gs and having a blow out.

gtr-gaz

5,281 posts

275 months

Friday 19th September 2008
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ezakimak said:
i dont fancy running around a corner at 3Gs and having a blow out.
Not with all that armco at the ring

yikes

GTWayne

4,595 posts

246 months

Friday 19th September 2008
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gtr-gaz said:
ezakimak said:
i dont fancy running around a corner at 3Gs and having a blow out.
Not with all that armco at the ring

yikes
Crashing INTO armco is not the main concern, it's PAYING for repairs/recovery etc. after the event that is likely to hurt the most headache

P.S. Whilst I am here, Gaz, how the devil are you man?
Stuart is doing a proper number on FN54, engine install is cloud9, can't wait to get on track with him ( he is trying to play it down a bit but something tells me that he is a bit of a dark horse, nearly BLACK in fact wink )

shithotfast

1,134 posts

297 months

Friday 19th September 2008
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Also - one point when comparing cars must be the price tag - Difficult to say whats "worth" what, but a top end ultima at say £60k and a Caparo at £260k (for what looks like the new KTM x bow at £55k)its interesting what you get for your money.

The x-bow looks a better bet value/performance wise that the Caparo IMO. If thats the kind of car your looking for.....

deadscoob

2,265 posts

289 months

Friday 19th September 2008
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Or you could go and buy a 10 year old F1 car and blow the Caparo away.

I'd be surprised if any Caparos get driven to a track day (if they are, I doubt they'll drive themselves away again wink), so why kid themselves it's a road car. Sod being a passenger in one too, unless you're 8 stone and 5feet tall.

If you want a quick track only car with passengers, a Juno would make far more sense, be almost as quick and save approx £200k. No pretence, no willy waving, that's all the Caparo is about really isn't it?


gtr-gaz

5,281 posts

275 months

Friday 19th September 2008
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GTWayne said:
gtr-gaz said:
ezakimak said:
i dont fancy running around a corner at 3Gs and having a blow out.
Not with all that armco at the ring

yikes
Crashing INTO armco is not the main concern, it's PAYING for repairs/recovery etc. after the event that is likely to hurt the most headache

P.S. Whilst I am here, Gaz, how the devil are you man?
Stuart is doing a proper number on FN54, engine install is cloud9, can't wait to get on track with him ( he is trying to play it down a bit but something tells me that he is a bit of a dark horse, nearly BLACK in fact wink )
I'm fine thanks Wayne, just packing for a weekend away up in Norfolk smile

There won't be anything original on FN54. What, with new engine, LSD box and new wheels on the cards. I would'nt be surprised to see it sprayed black next year!

ezakimak

1,871 posts

265 months

Friday 19th September 2008
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gtr-gaz said:
ezakimak said:
i dont fancy running around a corner at 3Gs and having a blow out.
Not with all that armco at the ring

yikes
just give it to lewis
he seems to be good at puting cars of the road that have stuffed tyres

andygtt

8,345 posts

293 months

Saturday 20th September 2008
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Stig said:
Interesting to see in the latest copy of Evo, that having 'properly' tested the (overpriced, overhyped and unreliable IMHO) Caparo T1, it gets a sound thrashing by the good old Ult GTR720

0-60mph 3.8 secs (GTR720 2.6secs)
0-100mph- 6.2secs (GTR720 5.3secs)
0-100mph-0 11.3 secs (GTR720 9.4 secs)

standing 1/4mile- 11 secs (GTR720 9.9secs)

smile
These cant be on form times for the Caparo as it bearly beats my canam which was twice the weight and yet less power.