The environment is now a legal defence for criminal damage
The environment is now a legal defence for criminal damage
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odyssey2200

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18,650 posts

239 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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Sorry if this is a repost

So now saving the planet is a defence for committing criminal damage?

What next?

vandalising cars is OK too?
Soap dodger trashes your P&J but gets off as Al Gore's adviser will turn up and convince the jury that you were doing the planet a favour?

furious


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/11/...

LeoZwalf

2,802 posts

260 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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Appalling, what happened to justice?

TankRizzo

8,025 posts

223 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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That one with the pigtails. I would.

Probably doesn't wash and has too much body hair, though.

Skipppy

1,136 posts

240 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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If i caught someone vandalizing my car or property in the name of the environment i would beat the fking out of them.

odyssey2200

Original Poster:

18,650 posts

239 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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maybe we could cull some politicians and George Monbiot as they expel too much Co2?

Our defence was that they were damaging the planet so it was justified.

utterly ridiculous!

Timmy35

13,014 posts

228 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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Skipppy said:
If i caught someone vandalizing my car or property in the name of the environment i would beat the fking out of them.
yes this is the problem. Hopefully they'll appeal and the verdict will be reversed.

emicen

9,243 posts

248 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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TankRizzo said:
That one with the pigtails. I would.

Probably doesn't wash and has too much body hair, though.
Awesome diddy ride potential hehe

As for the case. Shows just what a sham our legal system is.

Is it equivalent to say if I caught a hippy vandalising my car I was justified in breaking their legs and fingers to prevent them damaging property elsewhere in the world?

ofcorsa

3,546 posts

273 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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Isnt this line crime top trumps,

You can commit a lesser crime to someone you suspect of commiting a larger crime? Ace

odyssey2200

Original Poster:

18,650 posts

239 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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ofcorsa said:
Isnt this line crime top trumps,

You can commit a lesser crime to someone you suspect of commiting a larger crime? Ace
so shooting Gary Glitter would be justifiedscratchchin?

Edited by odyssey2200 on Friday 12th September 11:24

speedychrissie

2,994 posts

269 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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That is insane!

i know that it is going to be difficult to get a full and complete picture from a newspaper website, but from that account it seems like the whole trial was a farce! their "experts" talking about climate change were 2 government advisors and someone from greenland presumably brought in for an emotional plea!


as i understand it, the whole point of a jury is to provide an impartial decision from members of the public as to whether an individual has comitted the crime they have been accused of. surely, the decision of whether the excuse given falls inside or outside of the bounds of the law is something that only someone with a good legal training can make?

odyssey2200

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18,650 posts

239 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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It was a simple case.

Q. Did they deface the chimney and cause damage?

A. Yes!

Verdict. Guilty

Everything else was mitigation of the crime but they were quilty.

Who TF is the judge, Al Gore?

Oakey

27,984 posts

246 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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So will Greenpeace now have cart blanche to do whatever the hell they want to anything they want?

rude-boy

22,227 posts

263 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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Right hang on with me here.

Chavs,

They breed like blinking rabbits in many cases.

The most damaging thing anyone can do to the future of the Planet in terms of environmental damage (if they don’t have access to a nuke or toxic waste processing plant, etc) is have a child. Look at the ‘environmental footprint’ of a pair of ‘greenies’ with a couple of kids verses that of a pair of DINKYs with 4 cars.

Therefore I take it it is now legal to cull Chavs in the name of protecting the environment from immediate damage.

Anyone got a spare MAC10 and free next weekend? hehe

Funk

27,744 posts

239 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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Don't Greenpeace et al understand that unfortunately we NEED the energy provided by power stations etc? I'm sure they went home, put the lights on, put the kettle on for a cuppa, got milk out of the fridge, sat down in front of the TV to watch the news reports of their case etc.

And 'its cuz of da enviro-ment, innit' should NOT be a defence to criminal damage and trespassing. On that basis, I'm off to burn every Pious I can find and I'll expect to be acquitted when caught.

gamefreaks

2,070 posts

217 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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GreenPeace are a terrorist organisation.

Wonder what the verdict would be is it was a bunch of Muslims doing the same thing?

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

228 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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So does that mean I can kill them all because their exhalations contribute to the world's CO2 and thus climate change?

That story has ruined my day now. FFS how can anyone with any iota of common sense allow that verdict. It's as mad as a bag of badgers. furious

briSk

14,291 posts

256 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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gamefreaks said:
GreenPeace are a terrorist organisation.

Wonder what the verdict would be is it was a bunch of Muslims doing the same thing?
not wrong at all.

their cause is nearer to being thr truth as well! wink

odyssey2200

Original Poster:

18,650 posts

239 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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rude-boy said:
Right hang on with me here.

Chavs,

They breed like blinking rabbits in many cases.

The most damaging thing anyone can do to the future of the Planet in terms of environmental damage (if they don’t have access to a nuke or toxic waste processing plant, etc) is have a child. Look at the ‘environmental footprint’ of a pair of ‘greenies’ with a couple of kids verses that of a pair of DINKYs with 4 cars.

Therefore I take it it is now legal to cull Chavs in the name of protecting the environment from immediate damage.

Anyone got a spare MAC10 and free next weekend? hehe
you would probably get a reward from Crimestoppers too!

Stuismyname

1,706 posts

267 months

Friday 12th September 2008
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Grauniad said:
In his summing-up at the end of an eight-day trial, the judge, David Caddick, said the case centred on whether or not the protesters had a lawful excuse for their actions. He told the jury that for this defence to be used it had to be proved that the action was due to an immediate need to protect property belonging to another.
Surely the verdict is not sustainable on appeal? Where is the 'immediate need'? I won't say the judge failed to properly direct the jury here, because I don't know, but it really doesn't sound like "good law" to sanction the interpretation of "immediate" as meaning (even if you subscribe to the MMCC malarky) tens or scores of years.

That said, I would generally never make assumptions about a judgment on the basis of a media report - they're rarely on the ball, so I won't start now.

However, what I really fail to understand about these irritating funts is that if they were really serious about reducing Co2 emissions, why do they waste their time petitioning in a country with zero world influence and only 2% of global Co2 emissions?

Edited by Stuismyname on Friday 12th September 11:30

odyssey2200

Original Poster:

18,650 posts

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Friday 12th September 2008
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Stuismyname said:
Grauniad said:
In his summing-up at the end of an eight-day trial, the judge, David Caddick, said the case centred on whether or not the protesters had a lawful excuse for their actions. He told the jury that for this defence to be used it had to be proved that the action was due to an immediate need to protect property belonging to another.
Surely the verdict is not sustainable on appeal? Where is the 'immediate need'? I won't say the judge failed to properly direct the jury here, because I don't know, but it really doesn't sound like "good law" to sanction the interpretation of "immediate" as meaning (even if you subscribe to the MMCC malarky) tens or scores of years.

That said, I would generally never make assumptions about a judgment on the basis of a media report - they're rarely on the ball, so I won't start now.

However, what I really fail to understand about these irritating funts is that if they were really serious about reducing Co2 emissions, why do they waste their time petitioning in a country with zero world influence and only 2% of global Co2 emissions?

Edited by Stuismyname on Friday 12th September 11:30
because we tollerate, support and listen to them whereas everyone else would tell them to fk RIGHT OFF!! at the very least.