BAC TSR-2 video

[jr@]

couldnt find its own topic, but felt its own one was needed

found this whilst searching for something else, and along with the excitment of XH558 this week, i can honestly say this and possibly one or 2 others are the only aircraft i have ever been intrested in

such a shame, i know there are many arguments for and against the project and why it got cancelled, but it would have been a world beater surely

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/951799/the_raf_tsr_2...

[rhinochopig]

The bit at 2:05 is supposedly shot from a lightning chase plane, which at the time, was on full reheat. The TSR-2 was only using reheat on one engine yet still quickly pulled away.

Nice vid though thanks.

[central]

Nice find.

[Eric Mc]

jr@ said:

couldnt find its own topic, but felt its own one was needed

found this whilst searching for something else, and along with the excitment of XH558 this week, i can honestly say this and possibly one or 2 others are the only aircraft i have ever been intrested in

such a shame, i know there are many arguments for and against the project and why it got cancelled, but it would have been a world beater surely

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/951799/the_raf_tsr_2...

The TSR-2 was all about potential. However,I reckon it would have takem about ten years to turn it into an effective combat aircraft - and that was something Britain couldn't afford in the mid 1960s - both time wise and money wise.

[jr@]

i know eric, i just get so dissapointed when soemthing that looked so great was never aloud to suceed

[Eric Mc]

If you want a real "what-if" scenario of what the TSR-2 might have achieved, try and track down the model magazine Model Aircraft Monthly which, a few years ago, covered all the various uses the TSR-2 might have been put to over an expected in-service life spanning 1971 to 1993.

It's hard to believe that desert camouflage versions of the TSR-2 might have been dropping laser guided bombs on Iraqi targets in Gulf War 1

Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 6th July 23:38

[rhinochopig]

Eric Mc said:

It's hard to believe that desert camouflage versions of the TSR-2 might have been dropping laser guided boms on Iraqu targets in Gulf War 1

Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 6th July 21:58

Not really, the Buccaneer saw active service in the first Gulf War and that first flew in 58 and was considerably less sophisticated.

They also had some great nose art.

[Simpo Two]

Eric Mc said:

It's hard to believe that desert camouflage versions of the TSR-2 might have been dropping laser guided boms on Iraqu targets in Gulf War 1

I don't see why - there are many examples of airframes refitted with new avionics and weapons systems. Then again, it might have failed. Think of the promise of the Comet and what eventually happened. Had the Comet been scrapped after one prototype we'd all be sitting here rueing the fact that if only it hadn't been cancelled, Britain and de Havilland would now rule the airways.

[carl_w]

There's one of these on static display at Duxford, don't know if it's a replica or something because I thought all the prototypes and drawings were destroyed.

TBH it's hardly the most elegant looking aircraft, is it? Although no worse than the F-4 Phantom I guess.

[Eric Mc]

Simpo Two said:

Eric Mc said:

It's hard to believe that desert camouflage versions of the TSR-2 might have been dropping laser guided boms on Iraqu targets in Gulf War 1

I don't see why - there are many examples of airframes refitted with new avionics and weapons systems. Then again, it might have failed. Think of the promise of the Comet and what eventually happened. Had the Comet been scrapped after one prototype we'd all be sitting here rueing the fact that if only it hadn't been cancelled, Britain and de Havilland would now rule the airways.

I was being slightly rhetorical :.

I actually don't find it that hard to believe either. In fact, if the programme had continued and the TSR-2 had gone on to become the RAF's major strike platform, I'm pretty positive that they would have served in GW1. In 1971, the Buccaneer more or less took on the role that the TSR2 was supposed to have done and, of course, they did see active service in Iraq.

[Eric Mc]

carl_w said:

There's one of these on static display at Duxford, don't know if it's a replica or something because I thought all the prototypes and drawings were destroyed.

TBH it's hardly the most elegant looking aircraft, is it? Although no worse than the F-4 Phantom I guess.

It's the genuine article.

Two airframes survive - one at Duxford and one at Cosford. Neither of these aircraft ever flew as the programme was cancelled before they had made their first flights.

[Extra 300 Driver]

carl_w said:

There's one of these on static display at Duxford, don't know if it's a replica or something because I thought all the prototypes and drawings were destroyed.

TBH it's hardly the most elegant looking aircraft, is it? Although no worse than the F-4 Phantom I guess.

220, the one in the film was blown up at Shoburyness, at the AWE. The remaing two are at Duxford and Cosford. The Cosford one is complete, and has had power put on it but the Duxford one is missing some parts.

Much of the TSR2 lived on in the Jaguar and Tornado.

Its a shame but like Eric has said, effective weapons platform? Maybe not.