Tarox or Alcon for Integrale?

[BEASTINTEGRALE]

Hi,

On my Evo II Integrale i have had tarox 10pot fron brakes and bigger discs at the rear for a year or so. The problem im having is that the Tarox brakes dont have bite to them at all it all very progressive braking even under heavy braking conditions still feels kind of spongy.

Now the other option i think is the Alcon 6pot R calipers, i,ve never used them before therefore want some feed back before making my decision all comment appreciated.

Also i have tested the tarox system with a few diffrent pads soem better than others but still no bite to them.

Cheers
AL

[jacobyte]

Go for the Alcon. Tarox multipots aren't well proven on Grales in comparison.

[BEASTINTEGRALE]

jacobyte said:

Go for the Alcon. Tarox multipots aren't well proven on Grales in comparison.

Does alcon brakes has that initial bite or do they feel similiar to the tarox?

[jacobyte]

Alcons are rock solid, whereas with Tarox you can feel more flex. Feel does also depend on the piston sizes and pad compound, but the Alcons have more inherently. Of course Alcons are more dosh, but in this case I'd say you get what you pay for.

[lanciaman]

The problem I have found with big brakes on my Integrale is lack of consistency. I have now reverted to standard calipers on standard size drilled discs with Ferodo 2500 pads. They are nearly as good as bigger discs, are completely predictable and consistent, and a hell of a lot cheaper. Buy a set of poly bushes with some of the money you save, and put the rest towards a set of Black Art Designs suspension struts and springs (available via John Whalley) - you`ll never have understeer again!
Another thing; if you get Tarox 40 groove discs that`s 320 grooves to periodically clean out with a hacksaw blade!

[DJC]

Am I the only owner on standard brakes that doesnt have a problem with them? I think mine are absolutely fine!

[lanciaman]

DJC said:

Am I the only owner on standard brakes that doesnt have a problem with them? I think mine are absolutely fine!

Yes, standard brakes are fine, particularly the Evo. I needed new discs and pads on my 16v anyway, so I thought I might as well use drilled discs and I like Ferodo 2500 pads. In my own experience big brakes are simply not worth the money.

[BEASTINTEGRALE]

DJC said:

Am I the only owner on standard brakes that doesnt have a problem with them? I think mine are absolutely fine!

Standard brakes are good only for a grale with very few performance mods.

I have 10 pots tarox at the moment cause i need that stopping power after unleashing over 420hp.

I have alot about the porsche brakes / Alcon / F40 etc. The tarox system is pretty good but no bite. i test drove a friends M3 with Alcons 6 pot-R and they were superb but require minimum 19" Alloys which is no good as i have 17" speedlines.

Is there any grale owners out there with a better brake set up than the 10pot tarox?
i would like to hear from you.

[jacobyte]

8/16v Grales have a larger diameter disc than the heavier EVOs. Therefore, a modified EVO will sooner need an upgrade for any track work than an 8/16v.

On an 8/16v there is rarely a need to go for a "big brake" setup, as grooved discs with braided hoses, decent pads and SRF will deal with pretty much anything.

EVOs are a different matter. The above upgrades will only get you so far before cooking the seals, and there is now a very wide choice of kits available, with a recent development fitting under EVO2 rims, using Porsche calipers and custom bells and adapter plates.

A popular conversion (for 17s) is the "F40" setup, which is essentially Brembo. The Alcons are also known for being top notch.

Have a look at the Evoforum on Delphi, there are loads of options and discussions there.