couthard stays at mclaren
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why?
david couthard - the worlds #1 under-achiever.
he should walk away from the sport ashamed with his lack of success, he has had a world championship contending car for so many years yet all he has to show for it is a few race wins and the thought that he "helped hakinnen". gay gay gay gay gay gay gay.
david couthard - the worlds #1 under-achiever.
he should walk away from the sport ashamed with his lack of success, he has had a world championship contending car for so many years yet all he has to show for it is a few race wins and the thought that he "helped hakinnen". gay gay gay gay gay gay gay.
pablo said:
why?
david couthard - the worlds #1 under-achiever.
he should walk away from the sport ashamed with his lack of success, he has had a world championship contending car for so many years yet all he has to show for it is a few race wins and the thought that he "helped hakinnen". gay gay gay gay gay gay gay.
1) Personally I think you are being unduly harsh on DC
2) Are you implying DC is gay, or are you just slagging him off? Your use of the word 'gay' as a derrogatory term is pretty unacceptable.
i am not being unduly harsh on DC at all. he has been sat in the Mclaren for years. that car is clearly capable of winning the championship as a certain M.Hakkinen proved. DC has done nothing, he has prided himself on being the best number two driver in the world, and for that should be ashamed. he has never realistically challenged for the title, he has never gone into the final race of the season with a chance of winning, he has never fulfilled the potential of the car. every year he trots out the same excuses at the same point during the season for at least five years as to why this year ws difficult but next year will be his year. why should great drivers worthy of the mclaren seat have to sit and watch david underachieve in it. Why should people like Jenson Button not be given the chance to shine in a championship contending car? In my opinion it was clear at least five years agon that DC would never be a world champion but mclaren kept him on....... if i were an f1 team manager you would get two seasons, one to get used to the car, another to put in some top performances, anyone failing to fulfill my criteria would have a P45 in their hands quicker than they could drive. what i am really saying is there are thousands of briliant drivers out there who never get the chance to race in F1 and thats a shame. Alan van de Mevwe has destroyed the F3 championship this year and may get lucky with a test drive or a seson with a lower budget team but you dont win the F3 championship like he has done through luck. Marc Hynes won the F3 championship hte year pizzonia came second and button third but sadly a lack of money kept marc from F1. the sooner Nelson Piquet Jr gets an f1 drive the better.....but look at the british hillclimb championship, different disicpline admittedly, but you cannot doubt the courage and skill of people like graeme wight jr and adam fleetwood who throw their (500+ bhp) cars to the top of places like shelsley walsh in under 25 seconds and not love to see what they could do in an F1 car. they have balls bigger than king kong. the hillclimb circuits are seriously narrow yet at shelsley they are clocking 130 mph halfway up the course. its the injustice of it all i hate. its why MotoGp will now ALWAYS be better than F1. No one can doubt that the best riders are at the front of the grid in motogp, look at biaggi, he rode the nuts of the ducati which is a hugely inferior bike in comparison to the honda yet he is still only two seconds of rossi at the end of a race. you can see his talent quite clearly. F1 can have all the far eastern circuits with no soul and big money backed drivers and the high tech cars but when i want a good race i will watch rossi and biaggi and when i want to see some pure driving talent i will watch the hillclimb championship.
if people like Wiedhiem and Piquet Jr get F1 drives in the next year or two I might be interested but till then............god i'm annoyed about this! it just shows the state of F1 when teams arent prepared to ditch under-achieving drivers for fear of someone else not matching the same level.
as for the gay comments, yeah, that was out of order and apologies to anyone who was offended.
if people like Wiedhiem and Piquet Jr get F1 drives in the next year or two I might be interested but till then............god i'm annoyed about this! it just shows the state of F1 when teams arent prepared to ditch under-achieving drivers for fear of someone else not matching the same level.
as for the gay comments, yeah, that was out of order and apologies to anyone who was offended.
pablo said:
why?
david couthard - the worlds #1 under-achiever.
he should walk away from the sport ashamed with his lack of success, he has had a world championship contending car for so many years yet all he has to show for it is a few race wins and the thought that he "helped hakinnen". gay gay gay gay gay gay gay.
Didn`t think he was that happy
pablo said:
No one can doubt that the best riders are at the front of the grid in motogp, look at biaggi, he rode the nuts of the ducati which is a hugely inferior bike in comparison to the honda yet he is still only two seconds of rossi at the end of a race. you can see his talent quite clearly.
mmmm....
Biaggi that would the Camel Pramac-Pons Honda he's ridding Sete Gibernau who came second was also on a Honda it was Troy Bayliss on the Ducati who came in third within 2 seconds on the front 2. Troy is 5th in the championship with his team mate Loris Capirossi in 4th.
All of these guys are very very talented. Each has won championships before whether 125,250 WSB or the like. That's why they are at the pointy end of the series.
As for hugely inferior not sure that Ducati would agree with you there. It's the fastest thing out there cracking 200mph with ease at some circuits. It needs to be developed but in it's first year it's a good match of the Honda
I'd like Webber to replace David...... but he's signed for a few more years with Jag. Montoya maybe in 05?? Dont think it would be better than Williams.
What let's David down is the qualifing, race pace is fine. he ussually carry's more fuel at the start so that doesn't help on qualifing..... it's a circle, but yes in recent years he should of been more of a rival at the end of the chamionship. (except last year).all mho
O forgot to add he should stay until Mcclaren sign Button
>> Edited by oggs on Sunday 24th August 15:19
What let's David down is the qualifing, race pace is fine. he ussually carry's more fuel at the start so that doesn't help on qualifing..... it's a circle, but yes in recent years he should of been more of a rival at the end of the chamionship. (except last year).all mho
O forgot to add he should stay until Mcclaren sign Button
>> Edited by oggs on Sunday 24th August 15:19
XM5ER said:
the genetiacally modified scottish turnip does not deserve a place in McLaren, totally agree, lets get someone in who looks to himself first to find the reason that he did not win and not the car.
Tosser!
There is an obvious flaw in the stupid anti Coulthard stuff, the one group of people who realy know how good he is is McLaren and they obviously want to keep him when they could have had many other drivers,he may not be the best driver on the grid but he is better than most,remember with a little luck he would have won the first three races of the season.
Tosser yourself!
zax said:
Aside from his driving ability (or alleged lack of it) what puts me off is the way he usually manages to find an excuse or complaint about somebody else to account for his poorer performances. I think he does it more than most. Just get on with it!
Yes totally aggree , he must have graduated with honours from the Nigel Mansell school of whineing
To finish first, firt you've got to finish. He's been there so long as the main developer he has no excuse that there is somethin wrong with the car. Personally I think the reason they haven't canned him is down to the company culture. Adrian Newhey left Williams shortly after Frank binned Damon Hill, Frank is well known for believing that drivers are an expendable part of the team. IMO Adrian left for ths reason, believing that the drivers are an integral part of the development team and has created that culture at McLaren. Unfortunatly I don't think DC does McLaren any favours in public, maybe in the garage he's different. Sundays results speak for themselves, cheque signed, performance dropped off.
O.K I'm biased, as I am a bit of a D.C. fan.
But all the time Mika was at McLaren, DC was treated as the second driver, by a long way. He never had the support Mika received, and it showed in the reliability of his car. I think the same has happened with Kimi, D.C doing alot of the dev work, and Kimi getting more race support.
Agreed, he has struggled with the single lap qualifying, but in the past he has driven around Herr Schumacher Snr, in the wet, so he can't be that crap can he?
Also why do McLaren keep him, when I'm sure they could get one of the other 'new boys' for much less, (including paying off their current contract)?
Sparks (all IMVHO)
But all the time Mika was at McLaren, DC was treated as the second driver, by a long way. He never had the support Mika received, and it showed in the reliability of his car. I think the same has happened with Kimi, D.C doing alot of the dev work, and Kimi getting more race support.
Agreed, he has struggled with the single lap qualifying, but in the past he has driven around Herr Schumacher Snr, in the wet, so he can't be that crap can he?
Also why do McLaren keep him, when I'm sure they could get one of the other 'new boys' for much less, (including paying off their current contract)?
Sparks (all IMVHO)
Sparks - whilst it's true that Hakinnen was closer to Ron Dennis than DC, I'd be surprised if this meant he got inferior equipment. Mika's retirement gave DC the perfect opporunity to stamp his authority on the team, but he just didn't seem to grasp it, and now Raikkonen seems to have taken over the Hakinnen role.
That said, DC's still a solid, competent performer - he just doesn't seem to like the new one-lap qualifying. If the deal with Montoya for 2005 is done (as some say) then where will DC end up?
Still not sure about Button - he was no great shakes at Renault, and he's had a few lacklustre drives this year as well.
That said, DC's still a solid, competent performer - he just doesn't seem to like the new one-lap qualifying. If the deal with Montoya for 2005 is done (as some say) then where will DC end up?
Still not sure about Button - he was no great shakes at Renault, and he's had a few lacklustre drives this year as well.
Yep, I think DC will go in 2005, to be replaced by Montoya. I hope he goes to Jaguar, or one of the up-coming teams where his development experience will make a difference.
He has had some bad luck with reliability, and if you look back Mika did get preferential treatment (sure this was in an mag article, and came from one of the engineers).
This year was his best chance really, and he fluffed it with the single lap qualifying, and some general crap McLaren reliability.
Remind me again who won the first race of the season
Sparks
He has had some bad luck with reliability, and if you look back Mika did get preferential treatment (sure this was in an mag article, and came from one of the engineers).
This year was his best chance really, and he fluffed it with the single lap qualifying, and some general crap McLaren reliability.
Remind me again who won the first race of the season
Sparks
NOOOOOOOO!
DC should go away completely and certainly not to Jaguar! remember Irvine after he left Ferrari, he couldn't give a monkeys about the racing and was more concerned about the wimmen and the parties post race, the results speak for themselves!
If DC went to Jaguar, it would prove my point that teams are too busy worrying about the future to risk a new young driver who might just take the sport by surprise. DC wouldnt develop the jaguar anymore because in all fairness, I think Mark Webber is good enough to do that himself. DC would just trundle round and get a few points a season beforee finally giving up.
I promise not to berate DC in public again until he either says something stupid in autosport or until he signs another F1 drive deal.
DC should go away completely and certainly not to Jaguar! remember Irvine after he left Ferrari, he couldn't give a monkeys about the racing and was more concerned about the wimmen and the parties post race, the results speak for themselves!
If DC went to Jaguar, it would prove my point that teams are too busy worrying about the future to risk a new young driver who might just take the sport by surprise. DC wouldnt develop the jaguar anymore because in all fairness, I think Mark Webber is good enough to do that himself. DC would just trundle round and get a few points a season beforee finally giving up.
I promise not to berate DC in public again until he either says something stupid in autosport or until he signs another F1 drive deal.
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