Depth of field versus post processing
Depth of field versus post processing
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NoisyGriff

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579 posts

298 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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The downside of trawling the web for photo ideas is that I very quickly realise how much there is to learn! (Although I suppose that is a good thing, too.)

Take this for example:



Which I have blatantly pinched from flickr. It is part of a really good set of shots. What I really like about them is the use of quite a narrow DoF. What I am wondering, though, is how much of that DoF was determined as the shot was taken and how much was created in post-processing.

That shot and this one look like they could have been created using a large aperture:



However, he has achieved the same effect from a much greater distance, which seems like a long way away to be able to set such a narrow DoF:



Do you think that this could have been created in post-processing and, if so, how?

ThatPhilBrettGuy

11,810 posts

270 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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Don't suppose there's any EXIF data on them (There isn't on the links)? All look straight DoF effects to me. Last one looks link something my F1.0 50mm would produce. Fools the mind into thinking things are almost toy like.

4hero

4,505 posts

241 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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not sure about the first two, but I'd say the dof in #3 was fake (photoshopped).

NoisyGriff

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298 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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ThatPhilBrettGuy said:
... Fools the mind into thinking things are almost toy like.
That's exactly what I thought. Unfortunately there is no EXIF data (that I could find, anyway). I quite like the 'toy-like' effect.

4hero said:
not sure about the first two, but I'd say the dof in #3 was fake (photoshopped).
It does look almost too powerful to be real. If it is fake, though, it is done amazingly well. I'd love to know how - it could be a really interesting effect when applied to a picture with a lot of DoF. That way, you could chose, in post-processing, which part of the image is interesting enough to be emphasised.

andyquantum

13,204 posts

234 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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Similar effect to that of a Lensbaby is it not? I've been toying with getting one, but it's a bit pricey for a potential one trick pony

Andy M

3,755 posts

289 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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4hero said:
not sure about the first two, but I'd say the dof in #3 was fake (photoshopped).
I think 3 was taken with a tilt and shift lens, and not faked.

4hero

4,505 posts

241 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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could well be Andy, nice shot all the samewink

Simpo Two

92,955 posts

295 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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3 might be done with a PS trick using layer masks. It cropped up on here a couple of years ago and we all played with it. The extreme shallow-DOF effect makes things look like models.

ThatPhilBrettGuy

11,810 posts

270 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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Toy like @ F1.0



I too think Andy's right though and 3 is tilt and shift.

Scho

2,479 posts

233 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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3 is tilt and shift:

i did some once with a canon 24mmts-e:







other two seem like straight photography to me.



Edited by Scho on Saturday 17th May 15:13

arej

425 posts

232 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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Sorry what is tilt and shift?

Scho

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233 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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arej said:
Sorry what is tilt and shift?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt-shift_photography

NoisyGriff

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579 posts

298 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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ThatPhilBrettGuy said:
Toy like @ F1.0

Stop showing off. I haven't even got a toy GT, let alone a real one I can make look like a toy. Great picture, though. Iguess that is the advantage of a lens with such a massive aperture.

Scho said:
3 is tilt and shift:

i did some once with a canon 24mmts-e:

Those are great pictures and exactly the effect I was wondering about. Having done some searching, i think the lens you mention is this one, which is £eek.

A couple of people have mentioned the Lensbaby as an alternative and they seem a good bit cheaper. Doubtless the quality is not as good, but has anyone had a play with one? Having spent some time on PS this morning trying to replicate the effect in post processing, I have had little/no luck. Making that sort of DoF look natural in PS seems very difficult.

Scho

2,479 posts

233 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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thanks man,

yes,is bot cheap... i use the lens for iterior shots a lot, the tilt and shift effect thingie is more of a bonus :-)

never tried lens babies.

Simpo Two

92,955 posts

295 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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Also worth a search for Arsat/Photex and Hartblei.

I have a Photex 80mm f2.8 which is doubtless not as good as a Nikon/Canon TS lens but much cheaper and therefore an interesting addition to the toybox. However to be able to judge focus accurately (these lenses are manual everything) you do need a decent viewfinder.

Bob_Defly

5,910 posts

261 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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Why does having one focus point or a shallow DOF make it look like a model? What is it about T&S lenses that give it that effect?

Simpo Two

92,955 posts

295 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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Bob_Defly said:
Why does having one focus point or a shallow DOF make it look like a model? What is it about T&S lenses that give it that effect?
A photograph of a very small thing involves magnification. The more the magnification, the less the DOF. Hence when we see a photo of car with minimal DOF we think 'Aha, model!'

TS lenses can skew the plane of focus. They don't actually reduce DOF; a 2.8 lens is still a 2.8 lens. But skewing the plane of focus can make it look shallow.

Bob_Defly

5,910 posts

261 months

Saturday 17th May 2008
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OK, I had a go at faking it, some more successfully than others.







hehe

Famous Graham

26,553 posts

255 months

Sunday 18th May 2008
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It's a doddle to "fake" T&S in Photoshop - there's a Flickr group entirely devoted to it. But it does need the "right" image in the first place - it doesn't always work.