MSA reg: Original body work between wheel centres
Discussion
HiGuys,
Does anyone on here race with a fibreglass flip front? If so, how have you engineered a solution to fit round this stupid reg? Im thinking about hacking an orignal wing till its in line with the wheel centres, then chopping said wing sized chunk out of the fibre glass. Any other solutions to this problem (i want to keep my FG flipfront)?
Does anyone on here race with a fibreglass flip front? If so, how have you engineered a solution to fit round this stupid reg? Im thinking about hacking an orignal wing till its in line with the wheel centres, then chopping said wing sized chunk out of the fibre glass. Any other solutions to this problem (i want to keep my FG flipfront)?
are the MSA scrotumneers inforcing this rule these days,
donr forgret it it does not just meen in side elevation, it meens front elevation also, so you could end up with a very small part of the origional wing remaining,. plus you could replace you cills with bonded on aluminium alloy ones if you desired,
carl
donr forgret it it does not just meen in side elevation, it meens front elevation also, so you could end up with a very small part of the origional wing remaining,. plus you could replace you cills with bonded on aluminium alloy ones if you desired,
carl
rww said:
We have sprinted a flip fronted Mini for the last four years with no problems from the scrutineers. Can you quote the Blue Book ref. so that I can check this rule out.
wait until you start winning, then watch the others complain.not just your class competitors, but anyone who you are taking points from.carl
I have the current blue book in PDF format so not sure if the page numbers etc tally up. On mine its page 317 point 84.
"Chassis
84. The chassis or unitary construction must remain to
the manufacturer’s original specification in construction
and material within the wheel hub centres."
How can you replace the sills with ally. How would that comply with the above?
"Chassis
84. The chassis or unitary construction must remain to
the manufacturer’s original specification in construction
and material within the wheel hub centres."
How can you replace the sills with ally. How would that comply with the above?
Edited by nky_84 on Saturday 10th May 09:58
read it again, it says between the wheel hub centres, unless you intend using a bycylce of some kind which only has one wheel in front of the other, [in most common cases].
a car is a three dimentional box, X axis would be length, y axis would be width and Z axis height,
now take the X,Y , look on plan and you will see four wheel hubs on each corner, now draw a line between each hub centre and what do you have, you have drawn a box, now anything outside this box you can remove or modify,
nowhere does it say on side elevation only,
its a simple reading exercise, a bit like catchphrase with Roy Walker, read what it says,
if you were a really good debater i'm sure you could remove a vast amount of the shell and still be legal,
afterall its written in ink in said blue book.
one day i will retrun to sprinting with appeals fee in pocket and a very lightweight car.
carl
a car is a three dimentional box, X axis would be length, y axis would be width and Z axis height,
now take the X,Y , look on plan and you will see four wheel hubs on each corner, now draw a line between each hub centre and what do you have, you have drawn a box, now anything outside this box you can remove or modify,
nowhere does it say on side elevation only,
its a simple reading exercise, a bit like catchphrase with Roy Walker, read what it says,
if you were a really good debater i'm sure you could remove a vast amount of the shell and still be legal,
afterall its written in ink in said blue book.
one day i will retrun to sprinting with appeals fee in pocket and a very lightweight car.
carl
rww said:
We have sprinted a flip fronted Mini for the last four years with no problems from the scrutineers. Can you quote the Blue Book ref. so that I can check this rule out.
My mate was hillclimbing/sprinting a mod prod mini until the back end of last year, during the last year he was forced to go into sports libre as he had a fibreglass front end........ strangely the fibreglass roof wasn't even mentioned!No one mentioned this infingement , it was widely known about, and as he wasn't in a championship and just doing a few events a year most of the regulars seemed quite happy about it. strangely just after another competitor was seen poking around the car after a particularly fast first practice run, a posse of scrutineers showed up asking questions about the front end.
I know of at least one other competitor in a mini that has 'half' front wings fitted underneath the fibreglass flip front to comply with the rules.
this rule being enforced also means you can't remove the whole boot floor, just as far as the wheel centres.
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