Red diesel.

[Huntsman]

Full tax form 1st Nov.

[village idiot]

kinda only a matter of time really.

iirc, the reason why we get cheap diesel is as a thank you for the civilian assistance in bringing the british soldiers back from dunkirk.

no place for that sort of thing in a labour-run eu nation!...our history must surely be an embarrassment!

still... at least we're still in the same boat (pardon the pun) as the rest of europe... but oh no!... the duty on our fuel will now make marine diesel ridiculously expensive... but that's okay, as if you can afford a yacht, you can afford the fuel

(piss, slowly simmering!)

[Bobracing]

Is there any differance between red derv at the marina pump and the red central heating fuel ? as i have been told that there is more lubrication in the marina fuel or is this just hype



Thanks Bob

Edited by Bobracing on Sunday 2nd March 11:02

[XJSJohn]

Bobracing said:

Is there any differance between red derv at the marina pump and the red central heating fuel ? as i have been told that there is more lubrication in the marina fuel or is this just hype



Thanks Bob

Edited by Bobracing on Sunday 2nd March 11:02

I would guess that the Central Heating fuel is probably MGO or MDO which is basically bunker fuel and is significantly heavier and less refined, Marina Pump diesel is the same as car/van diesel with colour added.


I fink.

[GilesS3]

More or less right! Marine diesel is more refined and has a number of lubricating additives over straightforward gas oil. My understanding is that we will continue to use red diesel and the price will be the same as forecourt prices, unless you are going to use it for heaters, or you are a commercial user! (Not really open to abuse then!!!!)

[Nevin]

GilesS3 said:

More or less right! Marine diesel is more refined and has a number of lubricating additives over straightforward gas oil. My understanding is that we will continue to use red diesel and the price will be the same as forecourt prices, unless you are going to use it for heaters, or you are a commercial user! (Not really open to abuse then!!!!)

That's my understanding of it. Yes, open to abuse but better than the alternative (i.e full flush on every single storage and fuel tank to remove any traces of the dye). If anyone is interested I can forward them the copy of the press release the BMF have just sent me on it.

[Huntsman]

Recent post on a boaty forum by the features editor of PBO Magazine.

Greetings from the 'No Road Tax on Boat Fuel' campaign HQ.

I've been reading the posts about the supertax on boat fuel, and I have to say to you lot - It ain't over until the (thin) chancellor sings!

The top rate of red diesel is set by the government, and they can damn well UNset it if they want. The only reason boat fuel is going to jump to £1.20+ a litre is because the top rate was set three years ago, and is almost academic because virtually nothing pays it anyway. So no great public outcry if it's changed.

All it needs is for Mr Darling to REDUCE the top rate in the April budget to make allowances for the 'significant damage' to revenue from the motorboat sector if he doesn't.

One last roll of the dice, ladies and gents. Of the six hundred and forty-two letters I wrote to MP's ( including, accidentally, Seinn Fein) the vast majority of replies were IN FAVOUR of the No Road Tax campaign. In fact, only John Gummer was dead against it, and he wants the fishermen to pay full rate too ( which should endear him to many of his Suffolk constituents, but Greenpeace love him).

So - lobby hard. Lobby NOW! Write to the chancellor AND your MP and point out how much damage they are going to do to a thriving sector of the UK economy. Time is almost up, but we still HAVE time until the April budget to beat some common sense into them.

Remember - all HMRC have done is recommend that red diesel remains available, and that boaters should pay full whack for it. It's up to the government to decide what that full whack should be!!

NOT 54p tax a bloody litre!!! (Incidentally, white diesel is 48p, so - litre for litre, it's cheaper to refuel a 4X4)

We're writing again from PBO - another 640 letters.

Help us out!

Cheers

Jake K

[ginettajoe]

XJSJohn said:

Bobracing said:

Is there any differance between red derv at the marina pump and the red central heating fuel ? as i have been told that there is more lubrication in the marina fuel or is this just hype



Thanks Bob

Edited by Bobracing on Sunday 2nd March 11:02

I would guess that the Central Heating fuel is probably MGO or MDO which is basically bunker fuel and is significantly heavier and less refined, Marina Pump diesel is the same as car/van diesel with colour added.


I fink.

Red diesel is "gasoil" which can be used as central heating fuel, and "Kerosene" is the normal heating fuel! Red diesel is exactly the same as "pump diesel", and will not harm any diesel engine whether it be common rail or earlier designs. Kerosene on the other hand does require some oil mixing with it, and is not as convenient!

[S2 Giles]

As a petrol boater - I have mixed feelings on this subject, but generally I'm heavily against the intro of this top level tax

I like social boating, my favourite time is when t is really busy at Dartmouth Regatta and if the diesel guys cant afford to come down then it'll be a major blow.

I also saw myself buying a bigger 30ft diesel next - but now ??

Will boat builders still be able to justify a 15k increase in price for diesel engines in their boats?

Interesting times !
I pay a huge 1.40 a litre for petrol !!! its a nightmare

[xjandy]

What bugs me is that my 40 ft twin shafts, uses between 1 and 2 gals per mile.
Early last year it cost 40 odd pence per litre which is £2-£4 per mile.
£1.21 at my local pump this week which would be about £1.45 at the marina. The rate fuel is going up, Red at the Marina will conservatively be at least £1.50 by november,which is nearly Quaddiddlyrooople!Which equates to £7.50- £15 a mile!!!!!!!!!!!

[TimJMS]

ginettajoe said:

...Red diesel is exactly the same as "pump diesel", and will not harm any diesel engine whether it be common rail or earlier designs...

Red diesel is far from being the same as DERV. For one thing it is less refined, contains far higher levels of sulphur among other impurities, is therefore cheaper to produce, and is causing considerable difficulties with off - highway engines that meet / attempt to meet Tier 2 and 3 emissions standards.