RE: New £35K Brit Sports Car

RE: New £35K Brit Sports Car

Thursday 21st February 2008

New £35K Brit Sports Car

Exige challenger planned from ex-McLaren designer



A new British sports car is on the horizon which is the brainchild of an ex-McLaren Cars designer.

Jim Dowle was involved in the design, development and testing of both the F1 road car and the SLR and mostly worked for Gordon Murray.

He is now working on the design of his own car and hopes to have a running prototype in 18 months.

The car is being described as a competitor to the Lotus Exige and a number of engine options are being considered.

Mr Dowle tells PistonHeads that the car will have around 200bhp from a mid-mounted motor, and the whole thing will weigh 870kg.

The car is not being built for out-and-out straight line speed; the priority will be on making the car fun to drive.

He currently runs JJAD, an automotive design & prototyping business, from a unit in Chobham,


Surrey, and is now working on a quarter scale clay model.

An important factor will be providing luggage space to make the car a useable GT.

Chassis construction will be aluminium/carbon composite and the price will be around £35k.

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ahdguy

Original Poster:

279 posts

214 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Nice, but a bit Smart car from the front

Lone Granger

801 posts

250 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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...dont use a characterless 4 pot...!
something like the Alfa V6 at 250 bhp perhaps? - the extra power and most important character will be worth the additional weight as the target is set so aggressively low at the mo

Jderh

6,225 posts

214 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Pics not working, but sounds like a good plan all the same!

ETA: they are now... and it looks pretty damn good to me.



Edited by Jderh on Thursday 21st February 11:24

GAFF1974

66 posts

228 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Looks great but will never happen.

Milks

186 posts

219 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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sounds very promising, looks ok... need to change the headlights IMO

Boggy

4,603 posts

242 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Sorry still to heavy

Should be around 700kg Max!

Boggy

Tony*T3

20,911 posts

254 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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First off, a mid mounted conventional engine will never provide adequate luggage space on a car of this size.

He has to think 'out of the box' to achieve a small 'GT' type car with good lugage space. If front engined is not what he wants then maybe some kind of uber compact power plant. (flat or rotatry maybe?)

Good way of throwing away a lot of money.

L100NYY

35,497 posts

250 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Boggy said:
Sorry still to heavy

Should be around 700kg Max!

Boggy
nono

I really think 700kg is an unrealistic figure on a car like this chap, if you read the article you will see it is aiming at a lightweight/affordable GT car not a lightweight stripped out one.

It will be nudging 300bhp/ton which is more than adequate.



Edited by L100NYY on Thursday 21st February 11:50

DavidCane

853 posts

248 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Lone Granger said:
...dont use a characterless 4 pot...!
something like the Alfa V6 at 250 bhp perhaps?
Or a 5 pot turbo....how about the one from the Focus ST.

t20lau

3 posts

201 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Where do I sign? I want one!

carl_w

9,544 posts

265 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Back looks a bit 'breadvan' to me.

Twincam16

27,646 posts

265 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Looks brilliant, hopefully it'll be a 'baby F1'. Wonder if he'll give it a central driving position? There are further benefits to that - you don't have to go to the expense of building LHD and RHD models for a start.

jagdpanther

19,633 posts

226 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Im not a big fan of 4 pots, but the one used in the Exige is a real gem

bigbadbikercats

636 posts

215 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Tony*T3 said:
First off, a mid mounted conventional engine will never provide adequate luggage space on a car of this size.
Ever looked in the back of an MG F/TF?

While I wouldn't dream of suggesting Ye Olde MGF was a plausible benchmark in any other context it is/was a pretty impressive piece of packaging for a mid engined car. We've got one as a second car (in fact it's my 'daily driver') and both the amount and variety of things we've been able to put in the boot (to pick a few random examples, 2 small soft suitcases, a Fender Stratocaster Guitar in it's hard case, a large bail of peat and about a dozen middling sized plants) are quite astonishing, certainly luggage for 2 people for a week (a decent benchmark for something billing itself as a GT) is absolutely no problem.

Taking the old Rover K Series power unit (which made ~190 BHP in VHPD form without the aid of forced induction) as being representative in size for a modern 2 litre-ish, 200 BHP power plant (say the Toyota unit which replaced the K in the Elise/Exige?) and the dimensions of the F/TF as a ballpark for the dimensions of a lightweight compact 2 seater there's absolutely no reason why that shouldn't be attainable without recourse to exotic engine layouts.

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JG

smash

2,062 posts

235 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Ah yes, the Smart-ielago! smile

nutcase

1,145 posts

259 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Now where was that piss-take template article about British sportscars someone posted on here....

JonRB

76,111 posts

279 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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I for one would love a "pocket rocket" as a daily commuter. Two seats is fine, luggage space is not really a requirement other than perhaps space for a squashy bag.

Something in size and weight similar to the original CRX, the GTM Libra or the Prodrive P2 (which I so wish they'd made)

So if this is aiming for that market then "Ahhm Inn" (as opposed to "Ahmm Ooot" wink)

rillychilly

15 posts

206 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Take a bike engine, turbo it = compact power job done! It looks like a cross between a gallardo, smart car and a civic....

215cu

2,956 posts

217 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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nutcase said:
Now where was that piss-take template article about British sportscars someone posted on here....
Dunno, but if it's the Sniff Petrol one, we're on the same wavelength.

cvegas

323 posts

210 months

Thursday 21st February 2008
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Modern agressive design. Like it!!