Another idea....
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It seems many people are cusotmising/building from scratch TVRs to race. This reminded me of the company Farboud, which I read about a while ago. I believe he took an existing car, the Porsche GT1, modified it, put a good engine in it, and sold them at around £85000. Why doesn't someone start making TVR trackday weaponry? There seems to be a market ofr it, and they could be built ot order on a very small scale.....
OMFG,
Please please read up on your ideas before you post them.
The GTR-1 is ancient history as, now, is Farboud as company.
Google "Farbio" and "Arash" (separately) and while your at it "Marcos", to see where they are at now an object lesson in why this will also not work.
Loads of T400s were prepped/built as racers, some intresting Sagaris Bodied Tuscan challenge racers are being done as one offs with all the "right" engines and innovative drivelines, but due to IP laws these will never be production cars and a brand re-launch off the back of such small and inconsistant population of cars is just laughable.
Launching a new brand of "similar in spirit" beasts to skirt the IP issue is also equally untenable, as you would have to start from the absolute ground up (very very expensive) and be under no illusion, people who's IP you are essentially potentially "ripping-off" will be keeping a weather-eye upon you.
Please please read up on your ideas before you post them.
The GTR-1 is ancient history as, now, is Farboud as company.
Google "Farbio" and "Arash" (separately) and while your at it "Marcos", to see where they are at now an object lesson in why this will also not work.
Loads of T400s were prepped/built as racers, some intresting Sagaris Bodied Tuscan challenge racers are being done as one offs with all the "right" engines and innovative drivelines, but due to IP laws these will never be production cars and a brand re-launch off the back of such small and inconsistant population of cars is just laughable.
Launching a new brand of "similar in spirit" beasts to skirt the IP issue is also equally untenable, as you would have to start from the absolute ground up (very very expensive) and be under no illusion, people who's IP you are essentially potentially "ripping-off" will be keeping a weather-eye upon you.
danger mouse said:
OMFG,
Please please read up on your ideas before you post them.
The GTR-1 is ancient history as, now, is Farboud as company.
Google "Farbio" and "Arash" (separately) and while your at it "Marcos", to see where they are at now an object lesson in why this will also not work.
Loads of T400s were prepped/built as racers, some intresting Sagaris Bodied Tuscan challenge racers are being done as one offs with all the "right" engines and innovative drivelines, but due to IP laws these will never be production cars and a brand re-launch off the back of such small and inconsistant population of cars is just laughable.
Who owns the IP's..............?
Launching a new brand of "similar in spirit" beasts to skirt the IP issue is also equally untenable, as you would have to start from the absolute ground up (very very expensive) and be under no illusion, people who's IP you are essentially potentially "ripping-off" will be keeping a weather-eye upon you.
Who owns the IP's..............?Please please read up on your ideas before you post them.
The GTR-1 is ancient history as, now, is Farboud as company.
Google "Farbio" and "Arash" (separately) and while your at it "Marcos", to see where they are at now an object lesson in why this will also not work.
Loads of T400s were prepped/built as racers, some intresting Sagaris Bodied Tuscan challenge racers are being done as one offs with all the "right" engines and innovative drivelines, but due to IP laws these will never be production cars and a brand re-launch off the back of such small and inconsistant population of cars is just laughable.
Who owns the IP's..............?
Launching a new brand of "similar in spirit" beasts to skirt the IP issue is also equally untenable, as you would have to start from the absolute ground up (very very expensive) and be under no illusion, people who's IP you are essentially potentially "ripping-off" will be keeping a weather-eye upon you.
Edited by cobdoo on Tuesday 18th December 21:12
How long does design right exist for? I believe that all TVR's were unregistered designs and therefore fall under the UK design right catagory of IP. This means that the IP for the Grif has expired.
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/design/d-applying/d-should/d...
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/design/d-applying/d-should/d...
Nickthebassist said:
...I believe he took an existing car, the Porsche GT1, modified it, put a good engine in it, and sold them at around £85000.
Not in the least bit accurate I'm afraid. He made a prototype/styling exercise that looked too much like a GT1 so had to start again with a fresh design.He went on to design the Fabourd (now the Farbio in different ownership) which was designed from the ground up and built in house. He must have spent millions developing it and then sold the design before it was put into production.
hoopdiddy07 said:
How long does design right exist for? I believe that all TVR's were unregistered designs and therefore fall under the UK design right catagory of IP. This means that the IP for the Grif has expired.
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/design/d-applying/d-should/d...
You would be better placed than me to know that Hoopdiddy, and by the look of the page you quote, if it was unregistered, then you could be right in the case of the Griffith.http://www.ipo.gov.uk/design/d-applying/d-should/d...
However, by Cobdoo's reply, I assume he knows who the owners of later IP are, and good for him. I'm sure he'd agree they would look out for their own intrests, which is all I was saying to the OP.
danger mouse said:
hoopdiddy07 said:
How long does design right exist for? I believe that all TVR's were unregistered designs and therefore fall under the UK design right catagory of IP. This means that the IP for the Grif has expired.
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/design/d-applying/d-should/d...
You would be better placed than me to know that Hoopdiddy, and by the look of the page you quote, if it was unregistered, then you could be right in the case of the Griffith.http://www.ipo.gov.uk/design/d-applying/d-should/d...
However, by Cobdoo's reply, I assume he knows who the owners of later IP are, and good for him. I'm sure he'd agree they would look out for their own intrests, which is all I was saying to the OP.
Christ, just realised what year we are nearly in. Basically, if unregistered, the whole TVR range is unprotected with the exception of anything first offered for sale before 1998. Wow, if I was interested in re-producing say an RVT Tuscan next year it could be done quite inexpensivley. All the development costs except tooling payed for.
V8 GRF said:
PetrolTed said:
TVR Power bought the rights to the parts, it's quite possible that was tied up with IP too.
Initially they did, but didn't that change when NS realised he'd sold the most valuable bit off and changed his mind?Hence the Multipart deal?
BJWoods said:
V8 GRF said:
PetrolTed said:
TVR Power bought the rights to the parts, it's quite possible that was tied up with IP too.
Initially they did, but didn't that change when NS realised he'd sold the most valuable bit off and changed his mind?Hence the Multipart deal?
PetrolTed said:
Ah, fair enough. What a tangled web...
Only to be expected..... god what a mess.Doesn't it just piss you off thinking about it? If it had been handled differently and he had tried to walk before he tried to go global. Reduced the workforce (at least some would have still had a job),closed part of the factory down, restricted the model range and consolidated it might still be here. He was ruthless but in the wrong areas.
hoopdiddy07 said:
How long does design right exist for? I believe that all TVR's were unregistered designs and therefore fall under the UK design right catagory of IP. This means that the IP for the Grif has expired.
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/design/d-applying/d-should/d...
Design rights and patents are two different methods of IP protection. Design right BTW lasts for a lot longer than patent applications. Think of design right as aesthetical and patent as mechanical design registrations.http://www.ipo.gov.uk/design/d-applying/d-should/d...
But in reality there is no such thing as protection unless the holder of the IP has the will and the funding to persue the protection rights, which can be really expensive.
crackedfinger said:
Design rights and patents are two different methods of IP protection. Design right BTW lasts for a lot longer than patent applications. Think of design right as aesthetical and patent as mechanical design registrations.
No it doesn't. Design right lasts 10 years from 1st marketing. Patents last up to 20 years but last time I looked TVR didn't have any patents (they had one to the roof mechanism but this has now expired). The IP Smolenski was interested in was to the TVR name (including the trade mark registrations.But so what - all one would get is something that looks like a TVR. The expertise has gone.
V8 GRF said:
PetrolTed said:
Ah, fair enough. What a tangled web...
Only to be expected..... god what a mess.Doesn't it just piss you off thinking about it? If it had been handled differently and he had tried to walk before he tried to go global. Reduced the workforce (at least some would have still had a job),closed part of the factory down, restricted the model range and consolidated it might still be here. He was ruthless but in the wrong areas.
TVR was never about the cars to St Nic.
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