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Im looking for a cage to keep the Mrs in...
Sorry wrong forum.
Im researching roll cages for the hill climber. I have an old blue book and it states for hill climb cars (I'll be competing in road going class by the way which doesnt actually NEED a roll bar or cage) that the size must be 45x2.5 / 50x2 or 38x2.5 / 40x2 (for cages approved before 1.1.95).
Im presuming the approved before 1.1.95 bit means an FIA cage approved before the beginning of 1995?
What size should I look into getting? As I dont actually need one will a 38mm one do the job? Obviously I wont be getting up to speeds as fast as circuit racers?
Your thoughts, experience, advice greatfully appreciated
Sorry wrong forum.
Im researching roll cages for the hill climber. I have an old blue book and it states for hill climb cars (I'll be competing in road going class by the way which doesnt actually NEED a roll bar or cage) that the size must be 45x2.5 / 50x2 or 38x2.5 / 40x2 (for cages approved before 1.1.95).
Im presuming the approved before 1.1.95 bit means an FIA cage approved before the beginning of 1995?
What size should I look into getting? As I dont actually need one will a 38mm one do the job? Obviously I wont be getting up to speeds as fast as circuit racers?
Your thoughts, experience, advice greatfully appreciated
I dont know about the specific regs, but I recently bought a Rollcentre FIA one. Very pleased with it and it is FIA approved which I assume it hould be OK for you.
http://www.rollcentre.co.uk/rollcentre/html/fia_sp...
http://www.rollcentre.co.uk/rollcentre/html/fia_sp...
its the feet and the diagonal that really matter.
non fia, can get away with two bolt mounting feet and no diag.
fia, need to be three bolt mount feet and have a diagonal.
as long as you buy from a known supplier (ie sd or roll centre) then the cage will be right - if its fia it must have the correct stickers, though in circuits they will expect to see these even if you dont need them as having a cage above the required spec is a good thing.
when my car is scruitneered, the scruty sees the sd tag and knows the cage is correct, theres no need for him to check every bar and weld, or require the paperwork as he will know its reight - one less thing to worry about
if you are buying from a unknown supplier dont let them bull you with material spec. as the simple question. do you have the correct paperwork to show this cage is approved for motorsport use?.
you may not need this for your application, but if they have it, it shows the welding and designs have been checked.
makes me laugh some of the cages that are sold on ebay for motorsport use (miglias and sevens etc) when just looking at the photos there is no way they comply with the rules of the club, let alone the blue book.
non fia, can get away with two bolt mounting feet and no diag.
fia, need to be three bolt mount feet and have a diagonal.
as long as you buy from a known supplier (ie sd or roll centre) then the cage will be right - if its fia it must have the correct stickers, though in circuits they will expect to see these even if you dont need them as having a cage above the required spec is a good thing.
when my car is scruitneered, the scruty sees the sd tag and knows the cage is correct, theres no need for him to check every bar and weld, or require the paperwork as he will know its reight - one less thing to worry about
if you are buying from a unknown supplier dont let them bull you with material spec. as the simple question. do you have the correct paperwork to show this cage is approved for motorsport use?.
you may not need this for your application, but if they have it, it shows the welding and designs have been checked.
makes me laugh some of the cages that are sold on ebay for motorsport use (miglias and sevens etc) when just looking at the photos there is no way they comply with the rules of the club, let alone the blue book.
And, as an aside, the sad news this week is that former 'works' Mini driver and proprietor of Safety devices, Tony Fall, passed away last weekend at the young age of only 67.
He had been a personal friend of mine since about 1964 and was a great guy.
A sad loss to the World of motor sport and to those who remember the glory days of the Abingdon Minis.
He had been a personal friend of mine since about 1964 and was a great guy.
A sad loss to the World of motor sport and to those who remember the glory days of the Abingdon Minis.
Cooperman said:
And, as an aside, the sad news this week is that former 'works' Mini driver and proprietor of Safety devices, Tony Fall, passed away last weekend at the young age of only 67.
He had been a personal friend of mine since about 1964 and was a great guy.
A sad loss to the World of motor sport and to those who remember the glory days of the Abingdon Minis.
Cooperman, were you around in the very first days of mini saloon car racing? I have a mate (oldish bloke) who was. He quit when people like British Vita started spending silly money on engines. They built theirs in a shed, used to swap out the race engine and use it for going to work in the week. The guy was a Mr Holmes (yorkshireman). He has no photos of the car but has the reg number. They used to be in the thick of it, wherever it was. He had been a personal friend of mine since about 1964 and was a great guy.
A sad loss to the World of motor sport and to those who remember the glory days of the Abingdon Minis.
Hi big welly,
I started rallying in 1959 and my first event in a Mini was in 1961 - we won!
Although I was really a 'rallyman' I had several good friends who raced Minis. Motorsport was much less 'polarised' in those days and we sort-of 'did motorsport', so that a racing driver and a rally driver could well compete against each other at, say, an autocross. Drivers and navigators could swop seats and still be competitive. We didn't call navigators 'co-drivers' in those days. The term 'navigator' was well-respected back then.
A really good friend was Mo Mendham who became (in)famous as a Mini race driver and he did win a national championship (BARC?). Gerry Marshall and John Handley were also good friends of mine, both now sadly departed. In fact all those three did some rallying in their time, and John Handley was, I believe, the first person ever to do any sort of rally in a Mini in late 1959.
Really I was a navigator back then, so I had the privilege and pleasure of competing with some really quick Mini drivers. In fact, I was the first person ever to navigate a red Mini with a white roof, well before the 'works' started using that colour scheme, but that's another story.
It was all such fun too! Maybe I'll write a book about fun-in-Minis one day.
I started rallying in 1959 and my first event in a Mini was in 1961 - we won!
Although I was really a 'rallyman' I had several good friends who raced Minis. Motorsport was much less 'polarised' in those days and we sort-of 'did motorsport', so that a racing driver and a rally driver could well compete against each other at, say, an autocross. Drivers and navigators could swop seats and still be competitive. We didn't call navigators 'co-drivers' in those days. The term 'navigator' was well-respected back then.
A really good friend was Mo Mendham who became (in)famous as a Mini race driver and he did win a national championship (BARC?). Gerry Marshall and John Handley were also good friends of mine, both now sadly departed. In fact all those three did some rallying in their time, and John Handley was, I believe, the first person ever to do any sort of rally in a Mini in late 1959.
Really I was a navigator back then, so I had the privilege and pleasure of competing with some really quick Mini drivers. In fact, I was the first person ever to navigate a red Mini with a white roof, well before the 'works' started using that colour scheme, but that's another story.
It was all such fun too! Maybe I'll write a book about fun-in-Minis one day.
Just seen these of fleabay by OMP, it says they are FIA approved? What are your thoughts guru?
http://tinyurl.com/3e39u8
http://tinyurl.com/3e39u8
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