Plato's Porsche opinions
Discussion
Although the history of the 911 can trace lineage back to the beetle (rather tenuously I add) - do we tar them with the same brush as an original Beetle - i.e. Nazi originated car?
Not fair really - like tarring the whole German nation for something that was done 60 years ago. Time to think of new criticsms, I am sure there are a few...
Cheers,
Paul
Not fair really - like tarring the whole German nation for something that was done 60 years ago. Time to think of new criticsms, I am sure there are a few...
Cheers,
Paul
.... Must say I still fail to understand why some people care so much about what OTHER PEOPLE say or think about their TVR. You have and you love it - great! Other guys have a Porsche and love it - great as well!! It IS a fact that they both are great in their own way. As they say.. live and let live.
IMO of course
IMO of course
Well said Gasblaster - I am afraid that the British car industry is littered with the remnants of "what could have been if..." scenarios.
Hopefully the likes of the cars we are seeing today mean that the future will be bright. But unfortunately German has had a long history of good cars and they have built on this - "what could have been if..."
Cheers,
Paul
Hopefully the likes of the cars we are seeing today mean that the future will be bright. But unfortunately German has had a long history of good cars and they have built on this - "what could have been if..."
Cheers,
Paul
I did say it was Mr O'Rourkes view! 
What I was alluding to was the hypocrisy in Plato's "it's a Porsche so it must be a fab thing" attitude when contrasted with his apparent "it's only a TVR!" approach to the Tuscan.
I swear you could put a Porsche badge on a 1957 Dennis Fire engine and Plato would have it winning the practicality test, (Only car able to put out a fire whilst lapping the 'Ring at an average of 117mph!) if not the whole thing.
Not so long ago the 911 was full of easily recognisable Volkswagen/Audi
switchgear and I don't remeber them getting tagged with the "glorified kit car" attitude! The 924/944 started out as a design brief for Audi and Porsche only launched it (with a VW Van engine) to recoup the development costs when Audi chickened out!
I think Porkers are great, but they are the sum of their parts, like every other motor, including a TVR.
Why shouldn't a Tiv win on merit just cos it's made in Blackpool and not Stuttgart?
O'rourkes comments might be neither balanced nor fair, but then again neither was the Drivel test.
Still think it's funny though!
What I was alluding to was the hypocrisy in Plato's "it's a Porsche so it must be a fab thing" attitude when contrasted with his apparent "it's only a TVR!" approach to the Tuscan.
I swear you could put a Porsche badge on a 1957 Dennis Fire engine and Plato would have it winning the practicality test, (Only car able to put out a fire whilst lapping the 'Ring at an average of 117mph!) if not the whole thing.
Not so long ago the 911 was full of easily recognisable Volkswagen/Audi
switchgear and I don't remeber them getting tagged with the "glorified kit car" attitude! The 924/944 started out as a design brief for Audi and Porsche only launched it (with a VW Van engine) to recoup the development costs when Audi chickened out!
I think Porkers are great, but they are the sum of their parts, like every other motor, including a TVR.
Why shouldn't a Tiv win on merit just cos it's made in Blackpool and not Stuttgart?
O'rourkes comments might be neither balanced nor fair, but then again neither was the Drivel test.
Still think it's funny though!
'hmmm...ass engined german slot cars'
'Nazi' - i guess means german? good criticsm as everybody knows german cars have crap build quality, eg. Mercedes, BMW and Porsche
'ass engined' - i guess rear engine is being criticised, but it gives massive traction advantage in normal driving. wind revs up to 4K in the wet, dump the clutch, tyres grip and off you go. Traction light does not even flash as heads hit headrests. If i did the same in my old Cerby 2K revs would have been enough in the wet to enable me to sit there with the wheels spinning!
ben
'Nazi' - i guess means german? good criticsm as everybody knows german cars have crap build quality, eg. Mercedes, BMW and Porsche
'ass engined' - i guess rear engine is being criticised, but it gives massive traction advantage in normal driving. wind revs up to 4K in the wet, dump the clutch, tyres grip and off you go. Traction light does not even flash as heads hit headrests. If i did the same in my old Cerby 2K revs would have been enough in the wet to enable me to sit there with the wheels spinning!
ben
"Not so long ago the 911 was full of easily recognisable Volkswagen/Audi
switchgear and I don't remeber them getting tagged with the "glorified kit car" attitude!"
A fair posting overall andy, but the quote above just isn't true.
I know the 3.2 Carerra and 964 C2 pretty well, and the 993 was virtually unchanged inetrior-wise.
There are so few generic VAG parts in the 911 interior, that I am struggling to think of any at all. Even the indicator stalks are non-VAG in my experience of both manufacturer's products.
I owned a few 944s and I know Audi 80s, Golfs and Polos, but the 911s switchgear, instruments, door panels, seats etc are its own. You couldn't get further away from a 'parts bin' car if you tried. Some of the interior bits can, on the other hand, be traced back to the 1964 912!!!!
Have you ever seen a 911 rev counter in a VW? Or a large round rubber edged spotlight switch in an Audi? Or the nuttiest glovebox release ever (if you don't know what I'm talking about you shouldn't have posted the quote above ;-)
switchgear and I don't remeber them getting tagged with the "glorified kit car" attitude!"
A fair posting overall andy, but the quote above just isn't true.
I know the 3.2 Carerra and 964 C2 pretty well, and the 993 was virtually unchanged inetrior-wise.
There are so few generic VAG parts in the 911 interior, that I am struggling to think of any at all. Even the indicator stalks are non-VAG in my experience of both manufacturer's products.
I owned a few 944s and I know Audi 80s, Golfs and Polos, but the 911s switchgear, instruments, door panels, seats etc are its own. You couldn't get further away from a 'parts bin' car if you tried. Some of the interior bits can, on the other hand, be traced back to the 1964 912!!!!
Have you ever seen a 911 rev counter in a VW? Or a large round rubber edged spotlight switch in an Audi? Or the nuttiest glovebox release ever (if you don't know what I'm talking about you shouldn't have posted the quote above ;-)
Ok Domster, Fair point to you too, and I know what you mean about the bits you refer to. 
I have calmed down a bit now and I am almost ready to rejoin polite society!
I'll content myself in the knowledge that the Drivel team are yet another indictment of the "Care In the Community" system.
Cheers
Andy 400se
I have calmed down a bit now and I am almost ready to rejoin polite society!
I'll content myself in the knowledge that the Drivel team are yet another indictment of the "Care In the Community" system.
Cheers
Andy 400se
944 engine is classed as a Porsche engine and started life as a 2.5, before going to 2.7 then 3.0 litres.
The 3.0 had 16 valves and contra-rotating balancing shaft - not sure for the others.
I am not sure whether the 2.0 VW block would have been suitable to modify, probably not as 3.0 is a very large increase in displacement and I doubt they'd have enough space between cylinder walls.
The 3.0 had 16 valves and contra-rotating balancing shaft - not sure for the others.
I am not sure whether the 2.0 VW block would have been suitable to modify, probably not as 3.0 is a very large increase in displacement and I doubt they'd have enough space between cylinder walls.
In comrade O'Rourke's defence, his linking of National Socialism with the products of Dr Ing Porsche is probably one of his least offensive utterings Whatever his view, he's lucky enough to have a 911 in his garage (along with a 325i Conv and an old Jeep Cherokee - what a sad muppet I am to know this...) 
His other famous motoring quote is about rental cars being the fastest cars in the world.
Whatever his view, he's lucky enough to have a 911 in his garage (along with a 325i Conv and an old Jeep Cherokee - what a sad muppet I am to know this...) His other famous motoring quote is about rental cars being the fastest cars in the world.
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