RE: Rolling, Rolling... 2's enough
Friday 23rd November 2001
Rolling, Rolling... 2's enough
Autoweek roll Jeep's latest SUV in high speed handling test
Discussion
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Jeep's newest model rolled over twice at about 40 mph toward the end of AutoWeek's unique hard-braking, hard-steering handling test. An accident investigator hired by Chrysler attributed the rollover to a combination of a variation in the friction of the pavement and aggressive driving.
Chrysler says such conditions don't happen in the real world
These people how use SUV's to take little Jonny to school sould be shoot in the head, that is not what there are designed for, but they proberly are know since they only get used for the school runs an not for off roading.
These machines can be death traps to ofther road users so these people sould be paying mre attention to what they are doing when they are looking down onevery one.
rant over
The problem here is not new, it happened with Suzuki SJs a while back. The problem is the idiots who buy a 4x4 and then pretend its a sports car. If you drive it as intended and are aware of the limitations caused by the higher centre of gravity then no probs.
As a biased viewpoint (I have a Cherokee and the wife has a Land Rover) in many cases a 4x4 is just an alternative to an estate car or a people carrier.
My wife often takes our three kids and their mates around and needs eight seats (hence LR Defender CSW). Oh and she walks the youngest to school, the eldest walks to the bus stop and the other one goes by train and foot.
I use the Jeep as a daily hack / estate car replacement. The spec is great and it handles fine if you drive it like a hot hatch / sports car. Neither of us wanted a people carrier or estate car.
And if I want to drive like I'm in a sports car I use the TVR.
As for the plonkers that buy a softroader, dress it up with wide wheels, bull bars, side steps etc - shoot em.
Edited by JSG on Friday 23 November 17:37
As a biased viewpoint (I have a Cherokee and the wife has a Land Rover) in many cases a 4x4 is just an alternative to an estate car or a people carrier.
My wife often takes our three kids and their mates around and needs eight seats (hence LR Defender CSW). Oh and she walks the youngest to school, the eldest walks to the bus stop and the other one goes by train and foot.
I use the Jeep as a daily hack / estate car replacement. The spec is great and it handles fine if you drive it like a hot hatch / sports car. Neither of us wanted a people carrier or estate car.
And if I want to drive like I'm in a sports car I use the TVR.
As for the plonkers that buy a softroader, dress it up with wide wheels, bull bars, side steps etc - shoot em.
Edited by JSG on Friday 23 November 17:37
I will confess. I am a plonker. I will buy a bullet-proof vest tomorrow. We're on our second RAV4, and I tend to make the tyres howl a bit. Not when my wife is with me of course - I would never dream of openly abusing her car. Soft-roaders they may be, but RAVs do handle quite well and aren't hopelessly slow either.
We have a short uphill stretch of smooth tarmac between house and the road, and winters being what they are in this part of Scotland we would never get anywhere without 4WD. Snow and ice can last for weeks on end, and I'm far too old to push - besides, pushing is most undignified.
Both RAVs have been 3-doors, and you can stuff them into absurdly small parking places. And you can see over hedges and watch your neighbour's crops withering most satisfactorily. Add to these virtues the ability to flick a fag out the window straight into the cockpits of passing Tivs and what more could you possibly want?
We have a short uphill stretch of smooth tarmac between house and the road, and winters being what they are in this part of Scotland we would never get anywhere without 4WD. Snow and ice can last for weeks on end, and I'm far too old to push - besides, pushing is most undignified.
Both RAVs have been 3-doors, and you can stuff them into absurdly small parking places. And you can see over hedges and watch your neighbour's crops withering most satisfactorily. Add to these virtues the ability to flick a fag out the window straight into the cockpits of passing Tivs and what more could you possibly want?
and then we can have a 
and a pie 
I think that most people forget the natural pecking order!
At roundabouts and other juctions, fast, BIG, or very small win. Everything else falls naturally into the middle.
As long as the 4x4 mob remember they are not in sports cars, fine. Same goes for peep carriers. Big is not always best, but it sure feels good driving a high up car, once you get used to the characteristics.
And heaven forbid, if one day I get a yankee muscle car, I need to remember that it's fine in a straight line, and no where else.
There is space on the roads for everyone, except metro's and taxi drivers. Don't take the p*** out of off-roaders, beacause some a really quite good.
At roundabouts and other juctions, fast, BIG, or very small win. Everything else falls naturally into the middle.
As long as the 4x4 mob remember they are not in sports cars, fine. Same goes for peep carriers. Big is not always best, but it sure feels good driving a high up car, once you get used to the characteristics.
And heaven forbid, if one day I get a yankee muscle car, I need to remember that it's fine in a straight line, and no where else.
There is space on the roads for everyone, except metro's and taxi drivers. Don't take the p*** out of off-roaders, beacause some a really quite good.
Im a little worried. I use the Range Rover (old shape) for the daily hack to the station. 9 miles usually taken as fast as i can, as i usually run late.
The Volvo (V70 Tdi) is used as a family car, with ample power, comfort and my wife can get in it without being embarrised.
and if i feel the need for real speed, the Cerb or Chimaera generally suffice.
Reality, if you use a 4x4 like a sports car, it aint gonna work. Likewise, try taking a Tiv on an off road course.
This whole thing is just another case of people who cant afford toys finding reasons to put others down.
Edited by simond001 on Friday 30th November 16:17
The Volvo (V70 Tdi) is used as a family car, with ample power, comfort and my wife can get in it without being embarrised.
and if i feel the need for real speed, the Cerb or Chimaera generally suffice.
Reality, if you use a 4x4 like a sports car, it aint gonna work. Likewise, try taking a Tiv on an off road course.
This whole thing is just another case of people who cant afford toys finding reasons to put others down.
Edited by simond001 on Friday 30th November 16:17
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