Blimey - a Cayman with PCCB
Discussion
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Never seen one of these before. Didn't think anyone would select the option due to the cost compared to the cost of the car.
I do wonder if the original owner chose the brakes to match the rest of the car?! Looks good though.
Never seen one of these before. Didn't think anyone would select the option due to the cost compared to the cost of the car.
I do wonder if the original owner chose the brakes to match the rest of the car?! Looks good though.
I'm a complete convert to pccbs and, if I wanted the ultimate Boxster/Cayman, then I would spec them.
The benefits on a Boxster/Cayman should be very noticable. However, the market is still sceptical so you may only get a small fraction of the cost back at re-sale. In time this may change and they will start to become a 'must have'.
The benefits on a Boxster/Cayman should be very noticable. However, the market is still sceptical so you may only get a small fraction of the cost back at re-sale. In time this may change and they will start to become a 'must have'.
There was a Cobalt Blue one in the PH sales up until last week. I would have seriously considered it BUT it had the PCCB and I'd heard so many bad things about them on the 911's.
I'm not sure if the same problems occur with the Cayman, and even if they do I'm sure Porsche will eventually sort it out, BUT I wouldn't want to be part of Porsche's customer R&D team... been there and done that with my TVR's!
I'm not sure if the same problems occur with the Cayman, and even if they do I'm sure Porsche will eventually sort it out, BUT I wouldn't want to be part of Porsche's customer R&D team... been there and done that with my TVR's!
There's been a lot of conjecture about ceramic brakes and you will come across polarised opinions.
It's true that the first generation ceramics encountered problems. Porsche blamed misuse, but there were clearly design issues.
The latest (Gen 3) pccbs on the 997 GT3, TT and forthcoming GT2 incorporate a number of manufacturing and design changes to improve durability, cooling, f/r bias, etc. All these cars were designed and developed around pccbs. This may not be so true of the Boxster/Cayman.
I did a lot of research before speccing them and spoke to Chris Harris, amongst others. He is an exponent of pccbs and did say that he was planning the 'definitive' article on the subject, with advice from Walter Rohl on how to get the best from them. Look forward to reading this.
Although they are used in the Supercup, some regular track day users prefer steel, as they consider brakes to be a consumable. Interestingly, many of the benefits are actually more relevant to road use. The claims (IMO justified) are:
- Improved and consistent stopping performance (awesome)
- Fade resistant
- 20kg unsprung weight saving, improving ride, handling and steering (probably the greatest benefit)
- No brake dust or corrosion issues
- Long life (depending on use)
- Low noise (certainly the latest ones)
My wife has a 987'S' with steel brakes. Fantastic little car, but every time I drive it I am aware that steel brakes are old technology and the car would be transformed with pccbs.
Whether the cost is justified is down to personal choice. But I would rather spend £5k+ on pccbs than a power upgrade.
It's true that the first generation ceramics encountered problems. Porsche blamed misuse, but there were clearly design issues.
The latest (Gen 3) pccbs on the 997 GT3, TT and forthcoming GT2 incorporate a number of manufacturing and design changes to improve durability, cooling, f/r bias, etc. All these cars were designed and developed around pccbs. This may not be so true of the Boxster/Cayman.
I did a lot of research before speccing them and spoke to Chris Harris, amongst others. He is an exponent of pccbs and did say that he was planning the 'definitive' article on the subject, with advice from Walter Rohl on how to get the best from them. Look forward to reading this.
Although they are used in the Supercup, some regular track day users prefer steel, as they consider brakes to be a consumable. Interestingly, many of the benefits are actually more relevant to road use. The claims (IMO justified) are:
- Improved and consistent stopping performance (awesome)
- Fade resistant
- 20kg unsprung weight saving, improving ride, handling and steering (probably the greatest benefit)
- No brake dust or corrosion issues
- Long life (depending on use)
- Low noise (certainly the latest ones)
My wife has a 987'S' with steel brakes. Fantastic little car, but every time I drive it I am aware that steel brakes are old technology and the car would be transformed with pccbs.
Whether the cost is justified is down to personal choice. But I would rather spend £5k+ on pccbs than a power upgrade.
I've ordered a Boxster S with PCCB which should arrive in a few weeks. As has been said above, I believe the benefits in terms of handling and ride are the most significant. Braking power and consistency is also a notch above steel brakes in my opinion, based on direct comparisons. I do not intend to track the car (except at the 'Ring) and from my friends' experience of similar use (with a Mk2 GT3, road and 'Ring use) the pads and discs should indeed last a very, very long time.
Conversely, I do run steels on my GT3 (Brembo) because there is no doubt wear is greater on track and as that is what the GT3 is for, I would expect the PCCB's to need replacing at a rate (even if much lower than steels) that net net would not make economic sense. That's a personal choice and I know others do choose ceramics even for extensive track use because they are dynamically superior.
Interestingly my Boxster has been delayed by about 4 weeks due to increasing demand for PCCBs - partly no doubt because they are available on all of the P-car range now, but clearly also because take-up is increasing. My sense is that the original issues have been dealt with and well-treated PCCBs should now come a lot closer to living up to the original claims for them.
Kind regards
Steve
Conversely, I do run steels on my GT3 (Brembo) because there is no doubt wear is greater on track and as that is what the GT3 is for, I would expect the PCCB's to need replacing at a rate (even if much lower than steels) that net net would not make economic sense. That's a personal choice and I know others do choose ceramics even for extensive track use because they are dynamically superior.
Interestingly my Boxster has been delayed by about 4 weeks due to increasing demand for PCCBs - partly no doubt because they are available on all of the P-car range now, but clearly also because take-up is increasing. My sense is that the original issues have been dealt with and well-treated PCCBs should now come a lot closer to living up to the original claims for them.
Kind regards
Steve
i've done 8 hard trackdays, and 30+ laps of the ring on my Gen 3 PCCB's
I am now half way through my 2nd set of pads (changed to RS29's)...
The discs look and feel fine, with no signs of wear like the previous Gen...
I make sure i do a good full cool down lap at trackdays, and make sure i unblock the
disc holes when they've filled with Pad material....
So far, very pleased i specc'd them
I am now half way through my 2nd set of pads (changed to RS29's)...
The discs look and feel fine, with no signs of wear like the previous Gen...
I make sure i do a good full cool down lap at trackdays, and make sure i unblock the
disc holes when they've filled with Pad material....
So far, very pleased i specc'd them
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