P 404 cam and solid lifters

P 404 cam and solid lifters

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apache

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Sunday 4th May 2003
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has anyone got first hand info on the improvements this gives? I'm about to go this route with a 500 and then get it mapped

2 sheds

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291 months

Monday 5th May 2003
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Recent test at V8 developments:
standard 500 engine 275 bhp & 299 lb ft , with 404 cam & decent trumpets made around 315 bhp & 325 lb ft. ( 10 of which was down to the trumpets , so around 30 bhp from the cam, nothing else was changed !
you will need to re-chip.
Tim

apache

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Tuesday 6th May 2003
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Blimey! didn't think it would be that high, will it be driveable until I get it to Mark?

Nacnud

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276 months

Tuesday 6th May 2003
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I've had a 404 fitted to my SEAC and it's great

There's quite a lot of text and pictures up at
www.tvrcc-bristol.co.uk/reports/main.htm filed under 'Wierd Cam Timing'

Tim posted on a Wedge thread that peak power for a 404 is at 6300rpm

Paul V

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284 months

Tuesday 6th May 2003
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Who makes the 404?

How does it compare to the 218?

IPAddis

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291 months

Tuesday 6th May 2003
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2 sheds said: Recent test at V8 developments:
standard 500 engine 275 bhp & 299 lb ft , with 404 cam & decent trumpets made around 315 bhp & 325 lb ft. ( 10 of which was down to the trumpets , so around 30 bhp from the cam, nothing else was changed !
you will need to re-chip.
Tim



How does that compare to V8Ds own MC1 cam?

Nacnud

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276 months

Tuesday 6th May 2003
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If you search the Wedge forum for 404 cams, you will find a couple of good cam threads with loads of cam comparisons and input from people who really know what they are talking about....

Can't remember the thread titles off the top of my head, sorry....

2 sheds

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Tuesday 6th May 2003
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A few facts:
The 404 is a V8 Developments cam, ( like the MC1), they are produced by Kent for V8 developments.
The peak power will vary with induction spec , but can peak at up to 6500, on a standard griff 500 around 5800.
Its the first cam to work really well with the 500 heads , in the past heads have been replaced in order to get any torque benefit from cam upgrades.
The cam also has good "manners" and has a very clean idle.
dyno test from a 420 SEAC last week with 404 : 290 bhp & 290 torque with standard SEAC induction! the cam that came out was a 234 which will produce as much bhp but less torque and makes your eyes water when stationary, the car now idles smoothly for the first time in its life.
Tim



Nacnud

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Tuesday 6th May 2003
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Whose SEAC was that Tim?
(Just so I know who not to believe at Mania in the traditional making excuses before runway thrash chat)

2 sheds

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Tuesday 6th May 2003
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Nacnud said: Whose SEAC was that Tim?
(Just so I know who not to believe at Mania in the traditional making excuses before runway thrash chat)


Well lets just say it was white
Tim

apache

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Tuesday 6th May 2003
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Nacnud said: I've had a 404 fitted to my SEAC and it's great

There's quite a lot of text and pictures up at
www.tvrcc-bristol.co.uk/reports/main.htm filed under 'Wierd Cam Timing'

Tim posted on a Wedge thread that peak power for a 404 is at 6300rpm



have heard that the lifters need adjusting a lot, how is yours?

Nacnud

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Wednesday 7th May 2003
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I've not done many miles with them yet, but I believe it's going to be something like check every minor service and adjust every major service.

I expect Tim will confirm for us.

2 sheds

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Wednesday 7th May 2003
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Nacnud said: I've not done many miles with them yet, but I believe it's going to be something like check every minor service and adjust every major service.

I expect Tim will confirm for us.


I know of a Griffith that covered 6000 miles with a 404 and when checked needed no adjustment, only used one myself for 1000 miles so can't give my experiences.
Tim

apache

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Wednesday 7th May 2003
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That'll do for me Tim, can I book you guys to do my injectors in conjunction with my visit to Mark?

2 sheds

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Wednesday 7th May 2003
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apache said: That'll do for me Tim, can I book you guys to do my injectors in conjunction with my visit to Mark?


We can supply exchange injectors if you want to save rolling road time by fitting them in advance, otherwise power engineering also do a cleaning service,
you should also consider fitting trumpets to replace the horrible TVR steel tubes that sit within the plenum.
Tim

HarryW

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276 months

Wednesday 7th May 2003
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apache said: That'll do for me Tim, can I book you guys to do my injectors in conjunction with my visit to Mark?

apache, when are you booked in with mark as I'm booked next tuesday (13th) to get mine finally sorted, hopefully .

Harry

Edited to change wednesday for tuesday, glad I spotted that now otherwise I'd turn up on the wrong day


>> Edited by HarryW on Thursday 8th May 00:23

Brm Brm

217 posts

281 months

Tuesday 13th May 2003
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Tim said lets just say it was white



Oh bugger - not Patrick as well - now I really will have to spend some money next winter. Good job I'm moving to Norfolk in the Autumn, about half way between RPI and V8 Dev if I'm not mistaken. All I've got to do is keep it running till then.....

2 sheds

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291 months

Wednesday 14th May 2003
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Brm Brm said:

Tim said lets just say it was white



Oh bugger - not Patrick as well - now I really will have to spend some money next winter. Good job I'm moving to Norfolk in the Autumn, about half way between RPI and V8 Dev if I'm not mistaken. All I've got to do is keep it running till then.....


Not Patrick

Nacnud

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Wednesday 14th May 2003
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Brm Brm said: Good job I'm moving to Norfolk in the Autumn, about half way between RPI and V8 Dev if I'm not mistaken. All I've got to do is keep it running till then.....

No!
We might get beat at Skittles!

rev-erend

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291 months

Tuesday 20th May 2003
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Duncan - how are you finding the performance of
the 404, now that it's run in nicely.

Are you running solid lifters with roller rockers ?

What does it rev to and when does peak power
(or the best change up point seem to be).

Why all the questions - well you know a car never
seems to have enough power does it !