S2 outriggers (or lack of!)
Discussion
I'm considering an S2 with dissolved outriggers.
The car is cheap - and mint - apart from the outriggers.
It is in Essex, can anyone suggest independent repairers?
I've already had Austec and Moore Racing as suggestions, though both are in the wrong direction for me as I live up t'north in Nottingham, so it would be better if it was up here, though I guess that repairers that know what they are doing are few and far between for this.
I will have to trailer the car anyway so location isn't a major showstopper.
I think this will be the first post of many.......
Chris
The car is cheap - and mint - apart from the outriggers.
It is in Essex, can anyone suggest independent repairers?
I've already had Austec and Moore Racing as suggestions, though both are in the wrong direction for me as I live up t'north in Nottingham, so it would be better if it was up here, though I guess that repairers that know what they are doing are few and far between for this.
I will have to trailer the car anyway so location isn't a major showstopper.
I think this will be the first post of many.......
Chris
Thanks Allan.
To be honest I think its going to be a non starter now anyway.
The owner wants over £3k for it (exactly how much I don't know I said this was as high as I'd go), its 22000 miles & 1 owner, but I think theres too much risk involved, the car has not been run properly on roads for 3 years, and I'm not so sure such a low mileage is a good thing in a car of this age.
In addition of course I'm going to have to get it transported to a repairer.
The car is on pistonheads here
www.pistonheads.com/sales/149459.htm
Chris
To be honest I think its going to be a non starter now anyway.
The owner wants over £3k for it (exactly how much I don't know I said this was as high as I'd go), its 22000 miles & 1 owner, but I think theres too much risk involved, the car has not been run properly on roads for 3 years, and I'm not so sure such a low mileage is a good thing in a car of this age.
In addition of course I'm going to have to get it transported to a repairer.
The car is on pistonheads here
www.pistonheads.com/sales/149459.htm
Chris
i would ask myself first why the car has totally rotten outtriggers but has only 22000miles. this normally doesnt match.
on the other side the car looks quite nice...but again: why it looks so nice and the outtriggers are gone?
if you can weld yourself it would be worth buying it, but not for 3650,-pound.
in this case the price must be set much, much lower.
on the other side the car looks quite nice...but again: why it looks so nice and the outtriggers are gone?
if you can weld yourself it would be worth buying it, but not for 3650,-pound.
in this case the price must be set much, much lower.
Edited by micha on Sunday 15th April 22:14
I think it was around a grand to do both sides. I cant remember as they did a lot at the same time. I had a new rad, new rear suspension, new battery lots of other minor bits and an MOT. Think it came to around £1800 for the whole bill. If you ring them they will tell you a rough price over the phone.
They replace the outriggers without having to take the body off which saves a lot.
They replace the outriggers without having to take the body off which saves a lot.
I think there is a bit of mystique around these "outriggers", to keep it in perspective they generally consist of 3 pieces of 38mm steel tube.The body only needs to be lifted clear by enough to weld them in place.It is not really rocket science,and if you do the donkey work disconnecting bits and raising the body slightly, you could do this job quite inexpensively by employing a mobile welder to do the welding.
clarenceboddiger said:
I think there is a bit of mystique around these "outriggers", to keep it in perspective they generally consist of 3 pieces of 38mm steel tube.The body only needs to be lifted clear by enough to weld them in place.It is not really rocket science,and if you do the donkey work disconnecting bits and raising the body slightly, you could do this job quite inexpensively by employing a mobile welder to do the welding.
Sorry but.....The cross tube that goes across the car is V shaped and goes through the 2 main front to rear tubes and canted back to meet the side tubes with elliptical joints, IF water has entered the sill side outriggers then this tube is the lowest point and will of been rusting away and need looking at as it braces the chassis across/under the engine. I have found that I use 3 different welding methods to do the job properly and rebuilding the rear wishbone extension (on one side)and its brackets need as much more work as either sill tubes put together. (I have been welding/repairing TVR chassis's for 30 years) NO not mystique, S chassis are the most difficult of all the TVR chassis to work on.
Adrian@
Edited by adrian@ on Tuesday 17th April 07:46
adrian@ said:
clarenceboddiger said:
I think there is a bit of mystique around these "outriggers", to keep it in perspective they generally consist of 3 pieces of 38mm steel tube.The body only needs to be lifted clear by enough to weld them in place.It is not really rocket science,and if you do the donkey work disconnecting bits and raising the body slightly, you could do this job quite inexpensively by employing a mobile welder to do the welding.
Sorry but.....The cross tube that goes across the car is V shaped and goes through the 2 main front to rear tubes and canted back to meet the side tubes with elliptical joints, IF water has entered the sill side outriggers then this tube is the lowest point and will of been rusting away and need looking at as it braces the chassis across/under the engine. I have found that I use 3 different welding methods to do the job properly and rebuilding the rear wishbone extension (on one side)and its brackets need as much more work as either sill tubes put together. (I have been welding/repairing TVR chassis's for 30 years) NO not mystique, S chassis are the most difficult of all the TVR chassis to work on.
Adrian@
Edited by adrian@ on Tuesday 17th April 07:46
I accept what you are saying to a point, however I doubt that many of the repairs required to outriggers on these cars actually need the complete set of outriggers and rear wishbone extensions replacing, the majority of repairs which I have seen have had the outer portion of the cross tubes replaced using inserts into the tube for strength.The difference between the type of repair I am talking about and the one you are talking about could mean the difference between another one ending up being scrapped or not and that's my reason for suggesting that there is a potentially large saving to be had by getting involved and doing the un-specialised part of the work yourself, not all TVR owners have an abundance of spare income to spend on their cars and some actually enjoy getting their hands dirty and doing what they can.I did say that they should employ a mobile welder to do the welding, I am not suggesting they should have a go at welding it themselves, for obvious reasons.I wouldn't be suprised if you were to be of the opinion that most of the repairs you carry out do need the "full treatment" and I have no doubt that you carry this work out very professionally, but that might be why you are getting them, ie the lesser serious ones may be being done as I've suggested.
Edited by clarenceboddiger on Tuesday 17th April 21:59
Have them checked out by a few places if going to do it, mine were diagnosed as "completely rotten and dangerous" in need of £1500+ of body-lift repair to get past MOT.
Too it to APM and Andy sorted them for £150ish, he admits it's not the prettiest job in the world, but can't be seen so I'm not worried and the way we see it a body-off refurb will be needed in future years anyway and it can all be sorted then.
Too it to APM and Andy sorted them for £150ish, he admits it's not the prettiest job in the world, but can't be seen so I'm not worried and the way we see it a body-off refurb will be needed in future years anyway and it can all be sorted then.
i have just bought this car , at the top of my road for sale (result) , to answer micha previous entry that 22k and corrosion does not go together , bare in mind that it is a 17 yr old car , with a chassis that seems to be made of very poor quality metal , with little protection in the way of some plastic/paint ?? coating that just comes away over time , these chassis were not even galvanised from new .just seems Tvr took the cheapest option when building these . a friend will fabricate replacement sections and i reckon it will be know more then £500 all done to excellent standards........how many 20,000 miles 1 owner cars are out there ? not to many , the rest of the car is in superb order and the pics on pistonheads did it no justice whatsoever .
Edited by daveprice on Saturday 21st April 21:01
Couldn't agree more on the mileage thing - its probably the lack of mileage that has contributed to the outriggers going with it standing far too much and never drying out (he told me he used it to go to the railway station so stood outdoors all day).
Hope it works out OK - I've been scritinising lots of them online and I think that one had the best interior I've seen.
I've decided a V8 is for me now - I've had insurance quotes and there's only a fiver or so difference between the 2.9 and the V8.
Now I just need my own private oil well.........
Chris
Hope it works out OK - I've been scritinising lots of them online and I think that one had the best interior I've seen.
I've decided a V8 is for me now - I've had insurance quotes and there's only a fiver or so difference between the 2.9 and the V8.
Now I just need my own private oil well.........
Chris
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