Ok, last question about this infernal turbo s...
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Who has gone from owning an "ordinary" turbo to an X50 or turbo S?
How did they find the trade off between the responsiveness/perkiness of the tt and the higher-end stonk of the X50? I don't mean first impressions from a test drive, I mean proper ownership with time to get accustomed to it?
Cheers
SM
How did they find the trade off between the responsiveness/perkiness of the tt and the higher-end stonk of the X50? I don't mean first impressions from a test drive, I mean proper ownership with time to get accustomed to it?
Cheers
SM
Supermono: I can't help with the direct comparison you are making, only had the TT not the X-50 or S...BUT
Prior to the Turbo I made the move from a 996C2 into the new facelift 996C2, now the new facelift was a better car in all ways, more grunt, better spec etc, but do you know the thing it was just more of the same, after I had got used to the little extra grunt & decent stereo it was like I was still in my old car & I ended up swapping it in within the year.
I hope you know what I am saying,the 996TTS is just like what you already have (according to your profile a standard 996TT) with a little more pep!! I had a sports exhaust on my TT which gave about an extra 20 horses, had a little acceleration test with an S & you know what, nothing in it!
If it isn't costing a boat load of cash to change then fine, a bit more pep is always welcome, but if there is a lot of ££££££ involved I honestly wouldn't bother, after a few weeks you will feel like you are still sitting in your old car again! Having said all this you have my sympathy the 996TT is a very hard car to replace, I had mine for nearly 4 years!!!
Best of luck I can tell this decision is getting under your skin!
Prior to the Turbo I made the move from a 996C2 into the new facelift 996C2, now the new facelift was a better car in all ways, more grunt, better spec etc, but do you know the thing it was just more of the same, after I had got used to the little extra grunt & decent stereo it was like I was still in my old car & I ended up swapping it in within the year.
I hope you know what I am saying,the 996TTS is just like what you already have (according to your profile a standard 996TT) with a little more pep!! I had a sports exhaust on my TT which gave about an extra 20 horses, had a little acceleration test with an S & you know what, nothing in it!
If it isn't costing a boat load of cash to change then fine, a bit more pep is always welcome, but if there is a lot of ££££££ involved I honestly wouldn't bother, after a few weeks you will feel like you are still sitting in your old car again! Having said all this you have my sympathy the 996TT is a very hard car to replace, I had mine for nearly 4 years!!!
Best of luck I can tell this decision is getting under your skin!
Edited by Grant3 on Friday 16th March 09:23
Andy
Bring the turbo back to us.
You know you want the yellow gt3 !
www.rsjsportscars.co.uk/vehicles/porsche_911_996_gt3_comfort_36_3.htm
Ps.We need 10 more sales by 31st March to get to the annual year end target.
Bring the turbo back to us.
You know you want the yellow gt3 !
www.rsjsportscars.co.uk/vehicles/porsche_911_996_gt3_comfort_36_3.htm
Ps.We need 10 more sales by 31st March to get to the annual year end target.
Edited by RSJ on Friday 16th March 16:33
I hired a standard 996tt for a weekend, to help me decide if i wanted one. I ended up buying an x50, and you do notice the extra turbo lag, but then because of the bigger turbos it pulls better at higher revs. So on tight twisty roads the standard car maybe better, but its nice to know you've got that bit extra power. Also peak torque is quite a bit higher (414lb vs 457lb)) although its developed higher up the rev range.
The larger X50/GT2 turbos need plenty of heat energy in/through them to improve their response.
If you want to improve the lag I find it best to drive the car more like a normally aspirated car and keep the engine "on the boil" rather than surfing the wave of torque and short shifting.
If you let everything get "cold" (or are just plain lazy) the bigger turbos can catch you unaware when you go for a snap overtaking manouvre ( as I found out last weekend when I left the car in fourth whilst attempting an overtake) this having followed a queue of cars for some distance at a snails pace when an overtaking opportunity presented itself.
I buried the throttle and waited, thinking that the boost would arrive shortly............ I then waited some more.............. and some more ...............and some more
finally after what seemed like an eternity the old girl came to the boil and off we flew (cue much headlamp flashing from the approaching car 
)
I think if I'm honest, the above was more a case of me being lazy rather than any fault of the larger turbos (and had I changed down into third there wouldn't have been an issue)
I know the X50 TT I drove felt laggy, but having driven my GT2 and got everything nice and hot, the "extra" lag is not an issue IMO. (and as someone said, the wallop up at the top end more than makes up for any deficiency low down
)
If you can get a test drive with a passenger who doesn't frighten easily
try driving the car hard enough to get some "proper" heat into the turbos and exhaust (not a single thrash up to 120mph as this won't build up any meaningful heat) and you'll be able to see for yourself if the trade off is acceptable.
If you want to improve the lag I find it best to drive the car more like a normally aspirated car and keep the engine "on the boil" rather than surfing the wave of torque and short shifting.
If you let everything get "cold" (or are just plain lazy) the bigger turbos can catch you unaware when you go for a snap overtaking manouvre ( as I found out last weekend when I left the car in fourth whilst attempting an overtake) this having followed a queue of cars for some distance at a snails pace when an overtaking opportunity presented itself.
I buried the throttle and waited, thinking that the boost would arrive shortly............ I then waited some more.............. and some more ...............and some more
finally after what seemed like an eternity the old girl came to the boil and off we flew (cue much headlamp flashing from the approaching car ) I think if I'm honest, the above was more a case of me being lazy rather than any fault of the larger turbos (and had I changed down into third there wouldn't have been an issue)
I know the X50 TT I drove felt laggy, but having driven my GT2 and got everything nice and hot, the "extra" lag is not an issue IMO. (and as someone said, the wallop up at the top end more than makes up for any deficiency low down
) If you can get a test drive with a passenger who doesn't frighten easily
try driving the car hard enough to get some "proper" heat into the turbos and exhaust (not a single thrash up to 120mph as this won't build up any meaningful heat) and you'll be able to see for yourself if the trade off is acceptable.Thanks for that. As it goes this particular turbo s wasn't for me but I'm still looking. However, I drove the tt last night to a party across some suffolk roads about 50 miles there and back, returning around midnight.
Dry roads, cool air, 3rd/4th/5th gear stuff, it was completely awesome. With the hard work and heat mentioned, it was totally surging out of corners and along the straights, utterly composed most (
) of the time and relentless. Actually one of the best drives I've had in it.
Did leave me wondering why I'd want to spend 20k more on pretty much the same thing
SM
Dry roads, cool air, 3rd/4th/5th gear stuff, it was completely awesome. With the hard work and heat mentioned, it was totally surging out of corners and along the straights, utterly composed most (
) of the time and relentless. Actually one of the best drives I've had in it. Did leave me wondering why I'd want to spend 20k more on pretty much the same thing
SM
RSJ said:
Andy
Bring the turbo back to us.
You know you want the yellow gt3 !
www.rsjsportscars.co.uk/vehicles/porsche_911_996_gt3_comfort_36_3.htm
Ps.We need 10 more sales by 31st March to get to the annual year end target.
Bring the turbo back to us.
You know you want the yellow gt3 !
www.rsjsportscars.co.uk/vehicles/porsche_911_996_gt3_comfort_36_3.htm
Ps.We need 10 more sales by 31st March to get to the annual year end target.
Edited by RSJ on Friday 16th March 16:33
I know what you're saying about that GT3, but I really don't know that I want a GT3 -- on real roads I'd miss the composure and wide power band of the Turbo. However if you get a sniff of a Turbo S especially in Atlas Grey please give me a buzz...
SM
supermono said:
RSJ said:
Andy
Bring the turbo back to us.
You know you want the yellow gt3 !
www.rsjsportscars.co.uk/vehicles/porsche_911_996_gt3_comfort_36_3.htm
Ps.We need 10 more sales by 31st March to get to the annual year end target.
Bring the turbo back to us.
You know you want the yellow gt3 !
www.rsjsportscars.co.uk/vehicles/porsche_911_996_gt3_comfort_36_3.htm
Ps.We need 10 more sales by 31st March to get to the annual year end target.
Edited by RSJ on Friday 16th March 16:33
I know what you're saying about that GT3, but I really don't know that I want a GT3 -- on real roads I'd miss the composure and wide power band of the Turbo. However if you get a sniff of a Turbo S especially in Atlas Grey please give me a buzz...
SM
OPC Cambridge have got an Atlas Grey Turbo S (Manual) in stock, 54 Plate with 40k miles at £64,849
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