Paul Stephens PS 300 R
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they look really nice but is the price justified when for £20k more you could have a peach of a 2.7?
they look really nice but is the price justified when for £20k more you could have a peach of a 2.7?
Edited by sleep envy on Friday 23 February 12:15
Hats off to Paul for having a go at something different, but I just don't understand it at all. For that money you could have a 964 RS AND a 964 turbo II 3.6. Both real cars with history and values holding fast. In twenty years time when everyone's forgotten about PS, what will this car be worth? 6 grand?
That's almost a new 997GT3 money! Hats off to Paul for having a go at something different, but I just don't understand it at all. For that money you could have a 964 RS AND a 964 turbo II 3.6. Both real cars with history and values holding fast. In twenty years time when everyone's forgotten about PS, what will this car be worth? 6 grand?
simonharrod911 said:
Hats off to Paul for having a go at something different, but I just don't understand it at all. For that money you could have a 964 RS AND a 964 turbo II 3.6. Both real cars with history and values holding fast. In twenty years time when everyone's forgotten about PS, what will this car be worth? 6 grand?
You'll have to speak up - I'm a bit deaf.
loach said:
simonharrod911 said:
Hats off to Paul for having a go at something different, but I just don't understand it at all. For that money you could have a 964 RS AND a 964 turbo II 3.6. Both real cars with history and values holding fast. In twenty years time when everyone's forgotten about PS, what will this car be worth? 6 grand?
You'll have to speak up - I'm a bit deaf.
Nothing to do with me mate, web problems everywhere!
I think I prefer Porsches version of the Porsche 2.7 RS
However if you want the same driving experience you dont have to go that far.
A late eightes 3.2 offers asimilar experience for vastly less.
People forget the 3.2 Carrera figures when only ranting on about the RS.
'73 2.7 RS Touring power and weight: 210bhp & 1075kg = 198bhp/Ton
'89 3.2 Carrera power and weight: 231bhp & 1210kg = 195 bhp/Ton
If you remove some trim, rear seats, soundproofing, window motors etc, I have no doubt that you will challenge the RS lightweight on power to weight. If you want more excitement, fit the thinner tyres and you'll have the 'legendary agility', plus more reliability.
The Eigties 3.2 must be one of the the worlds most undervalued cars at the moment, with IMHO enormous investment potential. I would say that, but just ask anybody who's had one.
However if you want the same driving experience you dont have to go that far.
A late eightes 3.2 offers asimilar experience for vastly less.
People forget the 3.2 Carrera figures when only ranting on about the RS.
'73 2.7 RS Touring power and weight: 210bhp & 1075kg = 198bhp/Ton
'89 3.2 Carrera power and weight: 231bhp & 1210kg = 195 bhp/Ton
If you remove some trim, rear seats, soundproofing, window motors etc, I have no doubt that you will challenge the RS lightweight on power to weight. If you want more excitement, fit the thinner tyres and you'll have the 'legendary agility', plus more reliability.
The Eigties 3.2 must be one of the the worlds most undervalued cars at the moment, with IMHO enormous investment potential. I would say that, but just ask anybody who's had one.
crbox said:
I think I prefer Porsches version of the Porsche 2.7 RS
However if you want the same driving experience you dont have to go that far.
A late eightes 3.2 offers asimilar experience for vastly less.
People forget the 3.2 Carrera figures when only ranting on about the RS.
'73 2.7 RS Touring power and weight: 210bhp & 1075kg = 198bhp/Ton
'89 3.2 Carrera power and weight: 231bhp & 1210kg = 195 bhp/Ton
If you remove some trim, rear seats, soundproofing, window motors etc, I have no doubt that you will challenge the RS lightweight on power to weight. If you want more excitement, fit the thinner tyres and you'll have the 'legendary agility', plus more reliability.
The Eigties 3.2 must be one of the the worlds most undervalued cars at the moment, with IMHO enormous investment potential. I would say that, but just ask anybody who's had one.
However if you want the same driving experience you dont have to go that far.
A late eightes 3.2 offers asimilar experience for vastly less.
People forget the 3.2 Carrera figures when only ranting on about the RS.
'73 2.7 RS Touring power and weight: 210bhp & 1075kg = 198bhp/Ton
'89 3.2 Carrera power and weight: 231bhp & 1210kg = 195 bhp/Ton
If you remove some trim, rear seats, soundproofing, window motors etc, I have no doubt that you will challenge the RS lightweight on power to weight. If you want more excitement, fit the thinner tyres and you'll have the 'legendary agility', plus more reliability.
The Eigties 3.2 must be one of the the worlds most undervalued cars at the moment, with IMHO enormous investment potential. I would say that, but just ask anybody who's had one.
It's how that power is delivered in the 2.7RS that mitigates against your argument - even worse for this 964 based car, but having owned a 964RS, the 964 engine can be made to rev like one of the earlier engines....
crbox said:
I think I prefer Porsches version of the Porsche 2.7 RS
However if you want the same driving experience you dont have to go that far.
A late eightes 3.2 offers asimilar experience for vastly less.
People forget the 3.2 Carrera figures when only ranting on about the RS.
'73 2.7 RS Touring power and weight: 210bhp & 1075kg = 198bhp/Ton
'89 3.2 Carrera power and weight: 231bhp & 1210kg = 195 bhp/Ton
If you remove some trim, rear seats, soundproofing, window motors etc, I have no doubt that you will challenge the RS lightweight on power to weight. If you want more excitement, fit the thinner tyres and you'll have the 'legendary agility', plus more reliability.
The Eigties 3.2 must be one of the the worlds most undervalued cars at the moment, with IMHO enormous investment potential. I would say that, but just ask anybody who's had one.
However if you want the same driving experience you dont have to go that far.
A late eightes 3.2 offers asimilar experience for vastly less.
People forget the 3.2 Carrera figures when only ranting on about the RS.
'73 2.7 RS Touring power and weight: 210bhp & 1075kg = 198bhp/Ton
'89 3.2 Carrera power and weight: 231bhp & 1210kg = 195 bhp/Ton
If you remove some trim, rear seats, soundproofing, window motors etc, I have no doubt that you will challenge the RS lightweight on power to weight. If you want more excitement, fit the thinner tyres and you'll have the 'legendary agility', plus more reliability.
The Eigties 3.2 must be one of the the worlds most undervalued cars at the moment, with IMHO enormous investment potential. I would say that, but just ask anybody who's had one.
No doubt about any of that, but they're thin on the ground. You don't see many for sale.
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It's how that power is delivered in the 2.7RS that mitigates against your argument - even worse for this 964 based car, but having owned a 964RS, the 964 engine can be made to rev like one of the earlier engines....
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Maybe - in the final analysis that's true. But you get an lot of the driving experience and it remains a real 911. At 20% of the cost of an RS, that should appeal to a lot of the people,a lot of the time.
It's how that power is delivered in the 2.7RS that mitigates against your argument - even worse for this 964 based car, but having owned a 964RS, the 964 engine can be made to rev like one of the earlier engines....
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Maybe - in the final analysis that's true. But you get an lot of the driving experience and it remains a real 911. At 20% of the cost of an RS, that should appeal to a lot of the people,a lot of the time.
loach said:
crbox said:
The Eigties 3.2 must be one of the the worlds most undervalued cars at the moment, with IMHO enormous investment potential. I would say that, but just ask anybody who's had one.
No doubt about any of that, but they're thin on the ground. You don't see many for sale.
3.2's are all going one way or the other at the moment.
Scragged and scrapped, or pampered.
Whats the point in selling one for only 12k? you might as well stash it if its a good one.
Id rather have a good 930 with provenance than a PS bitza, take a look at Globulators Turbo here.
The PS market looks like its for the japanese maybe, bit like retroing minis, thats their thing.
Ive heard a few not so good reports about the PS conversions, e.g. bubbling bodywork at the front edge of the bonnet where they are converted to the long bonnet style, the wheels look awful.
Simons right, what will it be worth in a few years?
crbox said:
I think I prefer Porsches version of the Porsche 2.7 RS
However if you want the same driving experience you dont have to go that far.
A late eightes 3.2 offers asimilar experience for vastly less.
People forget the 3.2 Carrera figures when only ranting on about the RS.
'73 2.7 RS Touring power and weight: 210bhp & 1075kg = 198bhp/Ton
'89 3.2 Carrera power and weight: 231bhp & 1210kg = 195 bhp/Ton
If you remove some trim, rear seats, soundproofing, window motors etc, I have no doubt that you will challenge the RS lightweight on power to weight. If you want more excitement, fit the thinner tyres and you'll have the 'legendary agility', plus more reliability.
The Eigties 3.2 must be one of the the worlds most undervalued cars at the moment, with IMHO enormous investment potential. I would say that, but just ask anybody who's had one.
However if you want the same driving experience you dont have to go that far.
A late eightes 3.2 offers asimilar experience for vastly less.
People forget the 3.2 Carrera figures when only ranting on about the RS.
'73 2.7 RS Touring power and weight: 210bhp & 1075kg = 198bhp/Ton
'89 3.2 Carrera power and weight: 231bhp & 1210kg = 195 bhp/Ton
If you remove some trim, rear seats, soundproofing, window motors etc, I have no doubt that you will challenge the RS lightweight on power to weight. If you want more excitement, fit the thinner tyres and you'll have the 'legendary agility', plus more reliability.
The Eigties 3.2 must be one of the the worlds most undervalued cars at the moment, with IMHO enormous investment potential. I would say that, but just ask anybody who's had one.
911 'Club Sport' would be the way to go.
Lwt - 1160 kg and blueprinted/optimised engine producing more like 245 bhp
Good ones £25-35k.
Edited by Geneve on Saturday 24th February 17:20
Geneve said:
911 'Club Sport' would be the way to go.
Lwt - 1160 kg and blueprinted/optimised engine producing more like 245 bhp
Good ones £25-35k.
The look is nice, but worth triple the money of a standard 3.2 ?
A standard 3.2 is 231bhp
Burrianas old 3.2 at less than 15k.
Still glad its gone Al?
This is my std everyday '89 SC. It's worth something like 15k.
I havn't driven an 2.7 RS, but have driven most of the others. IMHO the 3.2 is best 'classic' bodied all rounder - that's why all these replica companies use it as the base. Like Octane mag says 'Get one of these before everybody realises'
Is the CS really worth twice as much? What improvement do you really get?I can't dispute the rarity, but I do dispute the credibility. You can get the 10hp with an ECU mod these days and save the same weight if you remove some trim - like Porsche did.
Edited by crbox on Sunday 25th February 12:03
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