997GT3 RS 7,48 Nordschleife

[Orabidoo]

So, slower than the 996GT3 RS....

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[fergus]

So you've been round <7.48 (not BTG?)

[Orabidoo]

For comparison

SportAuto, Nürburgring (Nordschleife):

Porsche Carrera GT ------------------------------------- 7.32 min
Porsche GTR 600 Gemballa ---------------------------- 7.32,52 min
Pagani Zonda F ----------------------------- 7.33 min
Koenigsegg CCR --------------------------- 7.34 min
Porsche 911 Techart GT (620hp) ---------------------- 7.43 min
Pagani Zonda S ----------------------------------------- 7.44 min
Porsche 996 GT2 (462hp) ------------------------------ 7.46 min
Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 -------------------------------- 7.47 min
Porsche 996 GT3 RS ----------------------------------------- 7.47 min
Porsche 997 GT3 ----------------------------------------- 7.48 min
Lamborghini Murciélago -------------------------------- 7.50 min
BMW M3 CSL -------------------------------------------- 7.50 min
Ford GT -------------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
Lamborghini Gallardo ----------------------------------- 7.52 min
Mercedes SLR ------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
Porsche 996 GT3 MK2 ------------------------------- 7.54 min
Mercedes CLK-DTM ------------------------------------- 7.54 min
Ferrari F430 ------------------------------------------- 7.55 min
Porsche 996 Turbo (420hp) ---------------------------- 7.56 min
Ferrari 360 CS ------------------------------------------- 7.56 min
Lotec-Porsche 993 BiTurbo (1998) --------------------- 7.57 min
Porsche 996 GT3 MK1 ---------------------------------- 8.03 min
Aston Martin V8 Vantage --------------------------------- 8.03 min
Lamborghini Diablo GT --------------------------------- 8.04 min
Porsche 997S -------------------------------- 8.05 min
Ferrari 575M --------------------------------------------- 8.05 min
Ferrari 550M --------------------------------------------- 8.07 min
BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Ferrari 360M --------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Honda NSX-R -------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Audi RS4 ------------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Lamborghini Diablo SV ---------------------------------- 8.09 min
Viper GTS (1997) ---------------------------------------- 8.10 min
Donkervoort D8 180R ----------------------------------- 8.10 min

[DanH]

This is going to start an argument

[spb2]

I imagine this must have been done recently and it's hardly the season for setting blistering lap times at the Nordschliefe.

It's great that sport auto do these definitve tests, however the track is so variable, grip levels would be vastly different on a warm summer sunday afternoon post a big VLN race.

[Orabidoo]

DanH said:

This is going to start an argument

The prices for the 996GT3RS just started to rise....

[Orabidoo]

spb2 said:

I imagine this must have been done recently and it's hardly the season for setting blistering lap times at the Nordschliefe.

It's great that sport auto do these definitve tests, however the track is so variable, grip levels would be vastly different on a warm summer sunday afternoon post a big VLN race.

17 degrees, 21 degrees tarmac.

[DanH]

Orabidoo said:

For comparison

SportAuto, Nürburgring (Nordschleife):

Porsche Carrera GT ------------------------------------- 7.32 min
Porsche GTR 600 Gemballa ---------------------------- 7.32,52 min
Pagani Zonda F ----------------------------- 7.33 min
Koenigsegg CCR --------------------------- 7.34 min
Porsche 911 Techart GT (620hp) ---------------------- 7.43 min
Pagani Zonda S ----------------------------------------- 7.44 min
Porsche 996 GT2 (462hp) ------------------------------ 7.46 min
Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 -------------------------------- 7.47 min
Porsche 996 GT3 RS ----------------------------------------- 7.47 min
Porsche 997 GT3 ----------------------------------------- 7.48 min
Lamborghini Murciélago -------------------------------- 7.50 min
BMW M3 CSL -------------------------------------------- 7.50 min
Ford GT -------------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
Lamborghini Gallardo ----------------------------------- 7.52 min
Mercedes SLR ------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
Porsche 996 GT3 MK2 ------------------------------- 7.54 min
Mercedes CLK-DTM ------------------------------------- 7.54 min
Ferrari F430 ------------------------------------------- 7.55 min
Porsche 996 Turbo (420hp) ---------------------------- 7.56 min
Ferrari 360 CS ------------------------------------------- 7.56 min
Lotec-Porsche 993 BiTurbo (1998) --------------------- 7.57 min
Porsche 996 GT3 MK1 ---------------------------------- 8.03 min
Aston Martin V8 Vantage --------------------------------- 8.03 min
Lamborghini Diablo GT --------------------------------- 8.04 min
Porsche 997S -------------------------------- 8.05 min
Ferrari 575M --------------------------------------------- 8.05 min
Ferrari 550M --------------------------------------------- 8.07 min
BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Ferrari 360M --------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Honda NSX-R -------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Audi RS4 ------------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Lamborghini Diablo SV ---------------------------------- 8.09 min
Viper GTS (1997) ---------------------------------------- 8.10 min
Donkervoort D8 180R ----------------------------------- 8.10 min

Well that's odd as the scan is from sport auto and has a 7.46 for the 996 RS. There is also a 7.40 from another mag, and a 7.42 I think from Walter in autosport und motor. Which just goes to show the variability that SP mentions.

It also highlights the pointlessness of getting all excited about a 2 second improvement etc.

[Orabidoo]

DanH said:

Well that's odd as the scan is from sport auto and has a 7.46 for the 996 RS. There is also a 7.40 from another mag, and a 7.42 I think from Walter in autosport und motor. Which just goes to show the variability that SP mentions.

Well, as good as it get, same driver etc. The Sport Auto Supertest time for the 996GT3RS is 7,47, not 7,46. I have the mag @ home.

[spb2]

Orabidoo said:

spb2 said:

I imagine this must have been done recently and it's hardly the season for setting blistering lap times at the Nordschliefe.

It's great that sport auto do these definitve tests, however the track is so variable, grip levels would be vastly different on a warm summer sunday afternoon post a big VLN race.

17 degrees, 21 degrees tarmac.

Wow, this must have been done way back in oct then?

I'm not expecting the 997 to be leagues faster, in fact the 996/997 should be pretty well matched. The big difference is you won't need to try so hard to go as quick in the 997. Or to put it another way, us avg joe's will be able lower our lap times and still have some (of the little we have) talent in reserve.

[DanH]

Orabidoo said:

DanH said:

Well that's odd as the scan is from sport auto and has a 7.46 for the 996 RS. There is also a 7.40 from another mag, and a 7.42 I think from Walter in autosport und motor. Which just goes to show the variability that SP mentions.

Well, as good as it get, same driver etc. The Sport Auto Supertest time for the 996GT3RS is 7,47, not 7,46. I have the mag @ home.

My mistake you are right it is 7.47 as per the scan linked above.

Same driver isn't that relevent though given the track conditions are so variable. Anyway I'll start worrying when I can lap in less than 8

[Orabidoo]

sport auto celebrates the 10th anniversary of the Supertest and leaves us with some Top 10 listings:


Nurburgring:
7:32 mins. - Porsche Carrera GT
7.33 mins. - Pagani Zonda F
7.34 mins. - Koenigsegg CCR
7:43 mins. - TechArt Porsche GT Street
7.44 mins. - Pagani Zonda S
7:46 mins. - Porsche 996 GT2
7:47 mins. - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
7:47 mins. - Porsche 996 GT3 RS*
7:48 mins. - Porsche 997 GT3*
7:48 mins. - Porsche 997 GT3 RS*

Hockenheimring:
1:08.6 mins. - Porsche Carrera GT
1:09.8 mins. - Koenigsegg CCR
1:10.8 mins. - Pagani Zonda F
1:11.1 mins. - Porsche 997 GT3 RS*
1:11.7 mins. - Porsche 997 GT3*
1:11.8 mins. - Lamborghini Gallardo SE
1:11.8 mins. - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640*
1:11.8 mins. - Pagani Zonda S
1.11.8 mins. - Porsche 996 GT3 RS*
1.12.0 mins. - Lamborghini Murielago

36m slalom:
141 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3 RS*
141 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3*
138 km/h - koenigsegg CCR
137 km/h - AC Schnitzer Topster*
137 km/h - Pagani Zonda F
136 km/h - Alpina Roadster S*
136 km/h - Mercedes CLK DTM AMG*
136 km/h - Porsche 996 Carrera S
135 km/h - Audi RS4*
135 km/h - BMW M3 CSL*
135 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT

Best over all:
77 pts. - Porsche 997 GT3 RS
77 pts. - Porsche 997 GT3
76 pts. - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
75 pts. - Pagano Zonda F
74 pts. - Koenigsegg CCR
71 pts. - Porsche 996 Carrera S

* indcates semi-slicks


Source: sportauto

Edited by Orabidoo on Friday 23 February 10:24

[Orabidoo]

DanH said:

Same driver isn't that relevent though given the track conditions are so variable. Anyway I'll start worrying when I can lap in less than 8

Doesn't matter. The time everybody will remeber is 7,47 for the 996 and 7,48 for the 997

[fergus]

What about michael vergers time in the radical SR8? IIRC this was around 7'10"?

[Orabidoo]

fergus said:

What about michael vergers time in the radical SR8? IIRC this was around 7'10"?

These are Sport Autos figures from their Supertest, which is seen as the standard when comparing Ring times. There are both faster cars and faster drivers, but Sport Autos tests are consistent, same procedure same driver etc.

[DanH]

Orabidoo said:

DanH said:

Same driver isn't that relevent though given the track conditions are so variable. Anyway I'll start worrying when I can lap in less than 8

Doesn't matter. The time everybody will remeber is 7,47 for the 996 and 7,48 for the 997

Good point, and the 997 is on stickier tyres too. This is going to annoy 997 RS owners for the rest of time as people trot out the sport auto time ad nauseum. lol.

[spb2]

Michael Vergers did 6.55 in a radical.

But as mentioned, this is a sport auto test and the driver is Horst Von Saurma.

I also seem to recall that the germans were not willing to accept the 6.55, don't remmebr on what grounds, as official. So either the Edo GT2 or donkevoort are the current "road car" record holders

[Orabidoo]

The 997 is slower in a straigh line as well...

996GT3RS 997GT3RS
0-100 km/h 4,2 4,3
0-120 km/h 5,4 5,6
0-140 km/h 7,1 7,5
0-160 km/h 8,8 9,2
0-180 km/h 10,8 11,1
0-200 km/h 13,5 14

Edited by Orabidoo on Friday 23 February 10:41

[Orabidoo]

Weight
997GT3RS 1424 kg
996GT3RS 1373

So, it's 51 kg heavier.

[Orabidoo]

DanH said:

This is going to annoy 997 RS owners for the rest of time as people trot out the sport auto time ad nauseum. lol.

LOL. I actually believe that this will in fact affect the prices of the 996GT3RS.

Edited by Orabidoo on Friday 23 February 10:50