how the 997 restyled looks, according to this site's spypics
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I'm not sure whether this has already been around:
http://flav9ii.free.fr/997phase2.html
www.youtube.com/v/shWKW3LzSmI
Kay
http://flav9ii.free.fr/997phase2.html
www.youtube.com/v/shWKW3LzSmI
Kay
Exterior, doesn't seem so. Lights, spoilers, and exhausts a bit.
But to me, the introduction of the DSG 7 speed is the serious move. Porsche finally answering to Ferrari's sequential gearbox. The VW-Audi DSG is a copy of an original Porsche race design, but Porsche owed it to themselves to have their own race seq. box on their cars.
But, that being said, I wonder whether this gearbox will be Porsche's version of a racetrack sequencial gear box, or whether it will be a comfort gimmick similar to the DSG of the Golf, which is, however many clutches it has inside, an automatic gearbox since it relies heavily on the software behind it, and that software is tuned for comfort, meaning:
1) it changes whenever you're in the red (imagine that in the middle of a turn. I take alot of turns on the red and have the rev bounce on the limiter, I don't want no gearbox to decide that it must change)
2) it downshifts if your rev is too low, which I also don't like.
If Porsche's DSG will have the above like the Golf's, this means it will only replace the tiptronic and be there for that market, and that I will move one whenever I see one.
The other important introduction is the new direct injection which increases the horsepower output.
Kay
But to me, the introduction of the DSG 7 speed is the serious move. Porsche finally answering to Ferrari's sequential gearbox. The VW-Audi DSG is a copy of an original Porsche race design, but Porsche owed it to themselves to have their own race seq. box on their cars.
But, that being said, I wonder whether this gearbox will be Porsche's version of a racetrack sequencial gear box, or whether it will be a comfort gimmick similar to the DSG of the Golf, which is, however many clutches it has inside, an automatic gearbox since it relies heavily on the software behind it, and that software is tuned for comfort, meaning:
1) it changes whenever you're in the red (imagine that in the middle of a turn. I take alot of turns on the red and have the rev bounce on the limiter, I don't want no gearbox to decide that it must change)
2) it downshifts if your rev is too low, which I also don't like.
If Porsche's DSG will have the above like the Golf's, this means it will only replace the tiptronic and be there for that market, and that I will move one whenever I see one.
The other important introduction is the new direct injection which increases the horsepower output.
Kay
Edited by tonikaram on Thursday 25th January 14:03
Edited by tonikaram on Thursday 25th January 14:03
Pugsey said:
Is it just me or has the face lift given it back a bit of the 996's 'blobbyness' - rear view of blue car particularly. Hope not because that wouldn't be good. Anyone know what the power increase will be?
Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 25th January 20:14
I know what you mean. Time will tell I guess.
DanH said:
Pugsey said:
Is it just me or has the face lift given it back a bit of the 996's 'blobbyness' - rear view of blue car particularly. Hope not because that wouldn't be good. Anyone know what the power increase will be?
Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 25th January 20:14
I know what you mean. Time will tell I guess.
Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 25th January 20:55
911_OMG said:
The decrease in fuel consumption by 10% is through the use of new direct injection petrol engines as per the new Cayenne engines
"direct injection" sounds so VW to me! I am now inclined to look up the exact differences between a Porsche engine and a VW/Audi one! In the past, the list was exhaustive, now it sounds like it's almost limited to the boxter structure!
Ferrari have the upper hand on the regular Carrera more and more I think. Crankshafts open at 180degrees giving the characteristic noise, now that's a racecar.
Kay
tonikaram said:
911_OMG said:
The decrease in fuel consumption by 10% is through the use of new direct injection petrol engines as per the new Cayenne engines
"direct injection" sounds so VW to me! I am now inclined to look up the exact differences between a Porsche engine and a VW/Audi one! In the past, the list was exhaustive, now it sounds like it's almost limited to the boxter structure!
Ferrari have the upper hand on the regular Carrera more and more I think. Crankshafts open at 180degrees giving the characteristic noise, now that's a racecar.
Kay
Edited by Pugsey on Friday 26th January 08:59
Pugsey said:
tonikaram said:
911_OMG said:
The decrease in fuel consumption by 10% is through the use of new direct injection petrol engines as per the new Cayenne engines
"direct injection" sounds so VW to me! I am now inclined to look up the exact differences between a Porsche engine and a VW/Audi one! In the past, the list was exhaustive, now it sounds like it's almost limited to the boxter structure!
Ferrari have the upper hand on the regular Carrera more and more I think. Crankshafts open at 180degrees giving the characteristic noise, now that's a racecar.
Kay
Edited by Pugsey on Friday 26th January 08:59
Read my post carefully, I said "regular Carrera". The GT3 block is still out there as far as I am concerned, because of the dry sump.
Whether I heard a 911 before, well a few months ago I'd said alot, but now it's actually massively, as my still unfortunate search for one has led me to test drive anything from a 996 C2 to a C4 to a 993 C2S to two C4's and the last one three times until I decided to let it go because it was a four. What a beauty it was, full leather.
Kay
tonikaram said:
911_OMG said:
The decrease in fuel consumption by 10% is through the use of new direct injection petrol engines as per the new Cayenne engines
"direct injection" sounds so VW to me! I am now inclined to look up the exact differences between a Porsche engine and a VW/Audi one! In the past, the list was exhaustive, now it sounds like it's almost limited to the boxter structure!
Ferrari have the upper hand on the regular Carrera more and more I think. Crankshafts open at 180degrees giving the characteristic noise, now that's a racecar.
Kay
VW or not, it is an exceptional new technology, 10% better fuel economy is a real claim. Porsche engines are very different to VW ones believe me!
GT3 engine is a great engine, try one and see what you think.
tonikaram said:
Pugsey said:
tonikaram said:
911_OMG said:
The decrease in fuel consumption by 10% is through the use of new direct injection petrol engines as per the new Cayenne engines
"direct injection" sounds so VW to me! I am now inclined to look up the exact differences between a Porsche engine and a VW/Audi one! In the past, the list was exhaustive, now it sounds like it's almost limited to the boxter structure!
Ferrari have the upper hand on the regular Carrera more and more I think. Crankshafts open at 180degrees giving the characteristic noise, now that's a racecar.
Kay
Edited by Pugsey on Friday 26th January 08:59
Read my post carefully, I said "regular Carrera". The GT3 block is still out there as far as I am concerned, because of the dry sump.
Whether I heard a 911 before, well a few months ago I'd said alot, but now it's actually massively, as my still unfortunate search for one has led me to test drive anything from a 996 C2 to a C4 to a 993 C2S to two C4's and the last one three times until I decided to let it go because it was a four. What a beauty it was, full leather.
Kay
Don't think you can compare £140k against £60k. Pugsey said:
Don't think you can compare £140k against £60k.
Actually that raises a point. In the past (993 and before), this price gap between a basic Ferrari and a basic regular carrera was relatively the same. However, the basic regular
carrera had a dry sump, a gearbox driven with rods rather than cables, and a real autolock differential. These made the carrera a every attractive offer. Today, if you fancy those (well except for the gearbox), you need to resort to the GT3, GT2 or Turbo. In the past, you just had to buy any 911 and all these are yours.
Kay
Reminds me of what I've seen of the Panamera around the back. Looks as though Porsche is trying to make sure that the Panamera looks like the 911 when it arrives, by making sure the 911 looks like the Panamera. As someone suggested elsewhere this morning, could Porsche stop trying to make everything in its line-up look like the 911? Given the 997's uncanny resemblance to a 993, is anyone at home in the Design department?
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