6 points in GT3 - Hepl needed

[tsantos]

Hi

I want to put a 6-point harness on my mk1 GT3 and recall someone here saying you must have at least a half roll cage to attache rear belts... On my RS I had them screwed directly to the back bulk, can't I do the same in the GT3?!?!

Thanks a lot!

Tiago

[Davey S2]

Thought you had been done for speeding for a minute

[scotty_917]

You can do both! My 964RS had a 6-pointer attached to the bulk head and on the MkI & MkII GT3's I've seen on track some have been fitted to the roll-cage or some to the bulk head. Up to inidividual preference I suppose.

[jeremyc]

It is never a good idea to be strapped into any car with harnesses that doesn't have a roll cage. Should the worst happen then you may not wish to be so firmly affixed to the seat as your roof comes towards you.

[tsantos]

Jeremy

But I'd only be fitting a half roll-cage (use the car daily and girls don't like the bars upfront!) so the roof could still come down on me right?!?

As for the license points being a Portuguese living in Barcelona means no points for me thanks! All fines have to be paid in cash though...

[andy tims]

jeremyc said:

It is never a good idea to be strapped into any car with harnesses that doesn't have a roll cage. Should the worst happen then you may not wish to be so firmly affixed to the seat as your roof comes towards you.

Surely your better off with harnesses, than not, roll cage or not.

[paulburrell]

Half cage and harnesses works fine for me. Front pillar plus the half cage forms a pretty strong rollover protection should you decide to drive on the roof. I was told that by Caged who installed my half cage. They supply full cages too, so had nothing to gain by spinning the half cage message. If you are looking for a half cage then I would highly recommend them, great guys, great products and good prices.

[993rsr]

Add in the fact that a full roll cage can potentially be more injurious in a road accident when you are not wearing a crash helmet.

[andy tims]

993rsr said:

Add in the fact that a full roll cage can potentially be more injurious in a road accident when you are not wearing a crash helmet.

"injurious" - Has to be word of the week. Going to a party tonight & I'll see how many times I can drop it into conversation

Fair comment though.

Edited by andy tims on Thursday 21st December 16:18

[jeremyc]

andy tims said:

jeremyc said:

It is never a good idea to be strapped into any car with harnesses that doesn't have a roll cage. Should the worst happen then you may not wish to be so firmly affixed to the seat as your roof comes towards you.

Surely your better off with harnesses, than not, roll cage or not.

Harnesses are better than nothing without a cage, but I'd rather stick to standard seatbelts if no cage is fitted - it is much easier to duck/move my upper body if the necessity arises than if harnesses are worn.

With a cage both are fine to use.

[tsantos]

All

Thank you all for your help! Will call Caged and decide on the half cage...

Bom Natal e Feliz Ano Novo!
Tiago

[flemke]

jeremyc said:

andy tims said:

jeremyc said:

It is never a good idea to be strapped into any car with harnesses that doesn't have a roll cage. Should the worst happen then you may not wish to be so firmly affixed to the seat as your roof comes towards you.

Surely your better off with harnesses, than not, roll cage or not.

Harnesses are better than nothing without a cage, but I'd rather stick to standard seatbelts if no cage is fitted - it is much easier to duck/move my upper body if the necessity arises than if harnesses are worn.

With a cage both are fine to use.

If you need a roll cage, that's generally because the car is...rolling.
With a single diagonal shoulder belt, as the car rolls you are more likely to be thrown towards the bit that is about to be crushed. Harnesses over both shoulders will help to keep your body in the seat, as far as possible away from impact.
If you really think that, in circumstances when the roof is about to be crushed in, you can overcome the g-force and pull yourself in the opposite direction, well, you're much more of an optimist than I.
Have you ever been in a big crash? You don't have lot of opportunity to twist your body about to stay unscathed. The laws of physics always win.

[roygarth]

flemke said:

Harnesses over both shoulders will help to keep your body in the seat, as far as possible away from impact.

We're not all driving centre seated F1's

[flemke]

roygarth said:

flemke said:

Harnesses over both shoulders will help to keep your body in the seat, as far as possible away from impact.

We're not all driving centre seated F1's

Indeed, for the vast majority of the time, neither am I.
I will accept that in the situation of your having come adrift and sitting in your crashed car at the roadside, if another vehicle were to come off at the same hazard (say, diesel on the road) and head towards your driver's door, you would want to pull your torso away.
If you had both enough time to do so, and enough presence of mind to be gradual so as not to trigger the inertial reel, then yes, you might benefit from having pulled yourself towards the centre of the car.
I daresay that it is very much more likely that your car would be in other impacts in which you would be safer if your body were not free to be thrown diagonally forward.

[964RS]

Out of interest how much is a half cage for a MK1 GT3???

[DanH]

964RS said:

Out of interest how much is a half cage for a MK1 GT3???

Approximately a grand I believe.

[tsantos]

The half cage itself will cost less (€500 - €700) from FVD or Carnewal but then you need to fit it so a grand should be on the spot.

Tiago

[paulburrell]

964RS said:

Out of interest how much is a half cage for a MK1 GT3???

I recall that mine cost less than £700 fitted in readies. Car has to be taken to Wilts and left for a couple of days. Just a 2 hour direct train journey from London to Westbury and a great stretch of road over the tank training round near Salisbury..