That time of year. Again.
That time of year. Again.
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lazyitus

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19,931 posts

296 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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Bloody hell.

3 Cerbs eliminated from the roads in the last few days. Doubtless, there have been even more casualties in this most dangerous time of year.

Slow down folks ! Its greasy as hell and we're all driving around in our hideous power to weight go-karts.

If we keep going at this rate, there will be no British TVR's left at all.

It happens every year.

Could have happened to me on Sunday - luckily God was smiling.

Just take care out there fellow Tivvers.

hollowpockets

5,910 posts

246 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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shout clap

yup the roads are dangerous now, time to take the lead weight out your right shoes lads!

Uncle Bulgaria

980 posts

260 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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Good advice, i must admit I nearly lost it on Sunday. I must grow up, with the roads like they were on sunday its pointless trying to race anything with that much power going to the back wheels. Just let em go and wait for them dry roads to come round.

leadfootlydon

329 posts

259 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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I sometimes go out in these conditions just to remind myself where the limit is. Better to have a little spin on a quiet road with no-one about than otherwise.

Oh, and go on a drifting course. Having the skill to deliberately and precisely slide a car certainly helps your reactions when it starts to happen unexpectedly.

FUBAR

17,065 posts

268 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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Combination of London Thunder and sunshine in Sussex today, I brought my car to work

God I love my car. cloud9

Havent taken it over 4500rpm all day and dont intend to until its time to break out the Speedos

BossCerbera

8,188 posts

273 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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leadfootlydon said:
go on a drifting course. Having the skill to deliberately and precisely slide a car certainly helps your reactions when it starts to happen unexpectedly.

yes Recommended. Also recommended is some circuit-based tuition in the wet.

The trick with drifting is to focus on the car's movements rather than the wheels (which should be spinning). While it builds confidence in driving at crazy angles, it doesn't help collect a problem on the road. Circuit driving (like racing) is about being finely tuned in to your contact patches as well as the car's attitude.

A diesel-covered, standing water-covered Silverstone (as it was on Saturday) would, perversely, have been ideal practice conditions for a Cerbera driver. I was pedalling a pumped up MR2 - incar footage here There's an Open Pitlane Trackday coming up on Sunday 10th December (bound to be wet) - would be happy to help if anyone's interested. I'm taking one or both of my Cerberas.

Always saddens me when the winter crop of mangled Cerbera photos arrives.

gazzab

21,650 posts

312 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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BossCerbera said:
There's an Open Pitlane Trackday coming up on Sunday 10th December (bound to be wet) - would be happy to help if anyone's interested. I'm taking one or both of my Cerberas.

What are the noise regs like ?

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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FUBAR said:
Havent taken it over 4500rpm all day and dont intend to until its time to break out the Speedos


hurl

BossCerbera

8,188 posts

273 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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gazzab said:
What are the noise regs like ?

10 December is a Noisy Day. I can assure you that no Cerbera is as loud as the racing Porsche that was on circuit this weekend on a "Noisy Day" so I'd say: now worries about noise.

It's a Gold Track trackday:
Silverstone National circuit trackday Sunday 10th December Open pitlane Noisy day Limited numbers - no overcrowding - no pit lane queues 175 pounds

lazyitus

Original Poster:

19,931 posts

296 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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BossCerbera said:

Silverstone National circuit trackday Sunday 10th December Open pitlane Noisy day Limited numbers - no overcrowding - no pit lane queues 175 pounds


Boss, can you get in easy enough to spectate?

gazzab

21,650 posts

312 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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Interesting - if my cerb is back on the road I might book up. About time I learnt how to drive it!

BossCerbera

8,188 posts

273 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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lazyitus said:
Boss, can you get in easy enough to spectate?

Yes.

YI8TVR

1,105 posts

280 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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leadfootlydon said:
Oh, and go on a drifting course. Having the skill to deliberately and precisely slide a car certainly helps your reactions when it starts to happen unexpectedly.


Not sure i subscribe to that if you have the skill to provoke a slide you should have the skill to know the the limit to prevent a slide, unless of course someone has dumped his engine contents, but statistically most loss of control is down to talent bag running out with the excuse that oil was on the road.

I will be there on the 10th, Goldtrack are also holding an open day on the 16th December which is a Saturday for £175.00 as well. Well worth it if it helps with your winter driving!

leadfootlydon

329 posts

259 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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It is about getting your sub-conscious to do the right thing 'cos when it happens, you aint got time to think about it.

The only way to train your sub-conscious is to practice.

And I agree with the previous poster about running out of talent. On many occasions I have shown a distinct lack of talent and am trying to do something about it.

For example, nobody ever told me not to accelerate and change lanes at the same time. 99% of drivers don't know that rule and, to be fair, they don't need to know. In a TVR, I found out the hard way that that can be a bad idea.


leadfootlydon

329 posts

259 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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BossCerbera said:

A diesel-covered, standing water-covered Silverstone (as it was on Saturday) would, perversely, have been ideal practice conditions for a Cerbera driver. I was pedalling a pumped up MR2 - incar footage here


Nice. Smooth and confident (and noticeably quicker than several others on the track). Watching that, I was saying to myself, "That's the corner where I spun the Porsche. That's the corner where I drifted the Elise... and there..."

Compared to the Elise, for example, are any TVRs easy to drive? Certainly the Chimaera is not. And it would seem the Cerbera is not.

YI8TVR

1,105 posts

280 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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leadfootlydon said:
BossCerbera said:

A diesel-covered, standing water-covered Silverstone (as it was on Saturday) would, perversely, have been ideal practice conditions for a Cerbera driver. I was pedalling a pumped up MR2 - incar footage here


Nice. Smooth and confident (and noticeably quicker than several others on the track). Watching that, I was saying to myself, "That's the corner where I spun the Porsche. That's the corner where I drifted the Elise... and there..."

Compared to the Elise, for example, are any TVRs easy to drive? Certainly the Chimaera is not. And it would seem the Cerbera is not.



I have owned a Cerbera, now have a T350 and the differnece in handling is that the T350 is more predictable, I am told the Sagaris even more so. With regards to your last post about changing lanes with throttle, I have always been taught that a car will only do one thing at a time as a rule of thumb. Makes sence i guess..

As with the learning I will never stop as i dont beleive I will ever know everything!

The only way to get better in my opinion is track time..

the gazman

1,686 posts

250 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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Good thoughts from the Boss and I have a few ideas that might seem obvious but may be worth mentioning for all year drivers.
1)Have you checked out your geo lately
2)Check your tyre pressures and maybe drop a few pounds in the winter.
3)If you have adjustable dampers, back them off a bit in the winter months. Won't help on ice but will give you a bit more reaction time on wet roads.

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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BossCerbera said:

I was pedalling a pumped up MR2 - incar footage here


scratchchin I must blag another go in that thing... especially now it's got more grunt. Most fun I've had in years... hehe

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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the gazman said:

1)Have you checked out your geo lately
2)Check your tyre pressures and maybe drop a few pounds in the winter.


Funny, I've always been anally retentive on this... get the geo done every six months, and check tyre pressures at least once a week...

YI8TVR

1,105 posts

280 months

Wednesday 29th November 2006
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Podie said:
the gazman said:

1)Have you checked out your geo lately
2)Check your tyre pressures and maybe drop a few pounds in the winter.


Funny, I've always been anally retentive on this... get the geo done every six months, and check tyre pressures at least once a week...


Bit over the top for a Mondeo is'nt it..