Drive it like I stole it?
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I've had a 2.7 987 for a couple of months, done 2.5k so according to the manual it's run-in, that seems to be a matter of opinion though.
I feel a bit of a numpty asking this, but how much of the rev range is it safe to use?
For example I usually change up to fourth at around 45-50mph in normal driving, more if overtaking, but I don't tend to stay in 3rd when overtaking. So long as I don't get too near the limit presumably it's perfectly safe/normal to give the engine the odd thrashing?
I ask as I read a post here today by someone who says they had the 2.7L up to 113mph in 3rd which suggests I'm being a bit timid
I'm expecting a bunch of replies along the lines of "you brought a Porsche, they're made to be driven quick you t
t" but I'd still appreciate any replies.
I feel a bit of a numpty asking this, but how much of the rev range is it safe to use?
For example I usually change up to fourth at around 45-50mph in normal driving, more if overtaking, but I don't tend to stay in 3rd when overtaking. So long as I don't get too near the limit presumably it's perfectly safe/normal to give the engine the odd thrashing?
I ask as I read a post here today by someone who says they had the 2.7L up to 113mph in 3rd which suggests I'm being a bit timid
I'm expecting a bunch of replies along the lines of "you brought a Porsche, they're made to be driven quick you t
t" but I'd still appreciate any replies.When i had my 987s i didn't really drive it hard for the first thousand miles,these engines seem to get quicker as you put the miles on them.
IMO take it easy for the first 1000 miles then build the res up slowly,every new car Ive done this with always seemed to be quicker than the same car thrashed from day one,maybe this isn't a fact but this is what i have found.
IMO take it easy for the first 1000 miles then build the res up slowly,every new car Ive done this with always seemed to be quicker than the same car thrashed from day one,maybe this isn't a fact but this is what i have found.
"you bought a Porsche, they're made to be driven quick you "
Aside from that, I presume its from new? And you've read the manual, and run it in according to that, and are now looking forward to using all the rev range?
The Red markings on the rev counter are the upper limit, the bit where the needle stops and goes blap blap blap is the limit, and its not recommended to change from third to second at 100+. That help at all?
" Aside from that, I presume its from new? And you've read the manual, and run it in according to that, and are now looking forward to using all the rev range?
The Red markings on the rev counter are the upper limit, the bit where the needle stops and goes blap blap blap is the limit, and its not recommended to change from third to second at 100+. That help at all?
Globulator said:
If you haven't changed the oil since you bought it: change it now. today.
Then give it a damn good thrashing!
Then give it a damn good thrashing!
Do Porsche recommend changing the oil so soon. I know it used to be the norm on all cars historically.
On the new GT3, the first oil change is due after 20000 miles!
997gt3 said:
On the new GT3, the first oil change is due after 20000 miles!
Good god. If you think about the time that the oil is most contaminated with metal particles - that'll be just after running in. If you run in fast and bed the rings in well, that may be in about 20 miles, certainly less than a thousand! A good synthetic in a dry-sump (high oil capacity) car with top ups and the odd filter change may last 20,000 miles but given the cost of the car and the cost of an oil change - £80,000 vs £100...
I'd change it more often (especially if it was run in gently as there will be ring blow-by which reduces oil life (and engine life and power). And definitely very soon after the run-in.
997gt3 said:
Do Porsche recommend changing the oil so soon. I know it used to be the norm on all cars historically.
On the new GT3, the first oil change is due after 20000 miles!
They recommend leave it until the 1st service which is 20K miles. I did ask when I picked the car up and was told there is no need to change it sooner.
hutchingsp said:
997gt3 said:
Do Porsche recommend changing the oil so soon. I know it used to be the norm on all cars historically.
On the new GT3, the first oil change is due after 20000 miles!
They recommend leave it until the 1st service which is 20K miles. I did ask when I picked the car up and was told there is no need to change it sooner.
Hmmm. ask yourself which party has a the most interest in keeping the car running smoothly, lasting forever, never breaking down and never needing replacement? If you accept the concept of "running in" then it follows that the initial running-in process is likely to be the time when little bits of engine rub/break off, generally get to know each other, and deposit their assorted detritus into the lubricating system.
Changing oil on a properly-used GT3 after 20K miles is like keeping the same condom on permanently for the first 3 months of your new relationship with J-Lo (or fill in whichever sex bomb you prefer)
Edited by softinthehead on Sunday 26th November 12:02
hutchingsp said:
I feel a bit of a numpty asking this, but how much of the rev range is it safe to use?
When it goes bah bah bah bah bah bah & stutters its good to change up, if you can notice when it does that on the rev counter- its normally at the end of the red bit, & then in future change just before it you will make swifter progress
i ran my boxster for three years.
after the running in period (which seem to bed the brakes in as much as the engine)i thrashed the life out of it for 75000 miles
i am not a hooligan, and alot of the miles were spent on motorways and dual carriageways, however, whenever i got the oppo to push the car to its limits i did.
one of my favs was to sit in traffic doing, say 70mph, and pop the gearbox into third. when the traffic cleared i would floor it and take the car upto the red line.
Fantastic way to spend a mornings commute to work.
Long ago i thought i drove the boxster like that beacuse it was a company car and i didnt care if it went pop. however when i bought my 996 and started to drive it gingerly i gave up after about a week becuase the car is so strong.
i have never been a wheel spinner or heavy on the clutch, but i have used all of the rev range on both my porsches and they have driven far better because of that.
At the end of the day, if Porsche allow you to do 7500rpm before the rev limit them use every last one of them.
after the running in period (which seem to bed the brakes in as much as the engine)i thrashed the life out of it for 75000 miles
i am not a hooligan, and alot of the miles were spent on motorways and dual carriageways, however, whenever i got the oppo to push the car to its limits i did.
one of my favs was to sit in traffic doing, say 70mph, and pop the gearbox into third. when the traffic cleared i would floor it and take the car upto the red line.
Fantastic way to spend a mornings commute to work.
Long ago i thought i drove the boxster like that beacuse it was a company car and i didnt care if it went pop. however when i bought my 996 and started to drive it gingerly i gave up after about a week becuase the car is so strong.
i have never been a wheel spinner or heavy on the clutch, but i have used all of the rev range on both my porsches and they have driven far better because of that.
At the end of the day, if Porsche allow you to do 7500rpm before the rev limit them use every last one of them.
softinthehead said:
Hmmm. ask yourself which party has a the most interest in keeping the car running smoothly, lasting forever, never breaking down and never needing replacement? If you accept the concept of "running in" then it follows that the initial running-in process is likely to be the time when little bits of engine rub/break off, generally get to know each other, and deposit their assorted detritus into the lubricating system.
isn't the idea that a properly blueprinted motor won't have any little bits to rub or break off?
Wetwipe said:
one of my favs was to sit in traffic doing, say 70mph, and pop the gearbox into third. when the traffic cleared i would floor it and take the car upto the red line.
Fantastic way to spend a mornings commute to work.
At the end of the day, if Porsche allow you to do 7500rpm before the rev limit them use every last one of them.
Fantastic way to spend a mornings commute to work.
At the end of the day, if Porsche allow you to do 7500rpm before the rev limit them use every last one of them.
Excuse the dodgy quoting but I was out today and I'm slowly getting into the habit of forget what you're used to and go off the rev counter as much as speeds and I'm slowly but surely getting used to pulling out to overtake and simply staying in 3rd.
If I think about it, I've never seen a single car manual that explains the basics of how good/bad an idea it is to drive a vehicle hard - it stands to sense that things like clutches/brakes will wear the more you thrash them but I'm not sure how much this is true of a modern sports car engine?
Final thing, roughly how much would you expect to pay at an OPC for an oil change?
hutchingsp said:
Wetwipe said:
one of my favs was to sit in traffic doing, say 70mph, and pop the gearbox into third. when the traffic cleared i would floor it and take the car upto the red line.
Fantastic way to spend a mornings commute to work.
At the end of the day, if Porsche allow you to do 7500rpm before the rev limit them use every last one of them.
Fantastic way to spend a mornings commute to work.
At the end of the day, if Porsche allow you to do 7500rpm before the rev limit them use every last one of them.
Excuse the dodgy quoting but I was out today and I'm slowly getting into the habit of forget what you're used to and go off the rev counter as much as speeds and I'm slowly but surely getting used to pulling out to overtake and simply staying in 3rd.
If I think about it, I've never seen a single car manual that explains the basics of how good/bad an idea it is to drive a vehicle hard - it stands to sense that things like clutches/brakes will wear the more you thrash them but I'm not sure how much this is true of a modern sports car engine?
Final thing, roughly how much would you expect to pay at an OPC for an oil change?
Salesman told me £100 when I bought
Service Manager told me £200 when I asked about 4 weeks ago. They informed me the car takes about £100 of oil.
Edited by CatherineJ on Sunday 26th November 17:28
CatherineJ said:
Salesman told me £100 when I bought
Service Manager told me £200 when I asked about 4 weeks ago. They informed me the car takes about £100 of oil.
Ouch!
As a final comment, I've made a bit of an effort to do what the title suggests and I'm surprised.. the grin on my face that I already thought was quite big actually got a lot wider
[quote=hutchingsp] clutches/brakes will wear the more you thrash them but I'm not sure how much this is true of a modern sports car engine?[quote]
Understand that using the full rev-range of the engine for an overtake or thrap a dual carriageway is not 'thrashing it', so long as the car is good and warm, and you change up as the rev-counter reaches the red-line. This is not some ancient pushrod lump that gets valve bounce anywhere more than 5000rpm.
Porsche quote maximum power for 2.7 at 6500rpm. To achieve the best acceleration you need to use a bit more*, otherwise you're not getting the benefit of the full, expensive, 245bhp.
SS7
*Yes, I do appreciate there's a little more to it than that
Understand that using the full rev-range of the engine for an overtake or thrap a dual carriageway is not 'thrashing it', so long as the car is good and warm, and you change up as the rev-counter reaches the red-line. This is not some ancient pushrod lump that gets valve bounce anywhere more than 5000rpm.
Porsche quote maximum power for 2.7 at 6500rpm. To achieve the best acceleration you need to use a bit more*, otherwise you're not getting the benefit of the full, expensive, 245bhp.
SS7
*Yes, I do appreciate there's a little more to it than that
hutchingsp said:
If I think about it, I've never seen a single car manual that explains the basics of how good/bad an idea it is to drive a vehicle hard - it stands to sense that things like clutches/brakes will wear the more you thrash them but I'm not sure how much this is true of a modern sports car engine?
Well, the way I figure it is, they put a rev limiter on the car to stop you doing damage to it by overevving it - so anything up till then wont cause damage...
As long as you let the engine warm up properly before revving it hard, I would think its well within operating tolerences - and while yes, driving it hard will wear the brakes, tyres etc out quicker, so what, you bought a porsche not a prius...
I think the most important thing, as others have said, is to make sure the car is fully warmed up before steaming up the rev range. I tend to keep below 4000rpm, then, once up to temp, off I go, but never to the rev limiter - I can't see there is much to gain in thrashing it to within an inch of its life!
Covered the first 20,000 in 6 months on same oil as the manual suggests. Hardly drank any oil and runs perfectly. Got 18,000 out of the rear tyres (19" conti's), fronts still have a good 2,000 left. Is this the norm?
Covered the first 20,000 in 6 months on same oil as the manual suggests. Hardly drank any oil and runs perfectly. Got 18,000 out of the rear tyres (19" conti's), fronts still have a good 2,000 left. Is this the norm?
hugoagogo said:
softinthehead said:
Hmmm. ask yourself which party has a the most interest in keeping the car running smoothly, lasting forever, never breaking down and never needing replacement? If you accept the concept of "running in" then it follows that the initial running-in process is likely to be the time when little bits of engine rub/break off, generally get to know each other, and deposit their assorted detritus into the lubricating system.
isn't the idea that a properly blueprinted motor won't have any little bits to rub or break off?
Do you honestly think that the engines are blue printed?
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