tiptronic glich on 996
tiptronic glich on 996
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Fasteddie1

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Monday 14th August 2006
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Has anyone experienced the following problem with a tiptronic gearbox on a 996: whilst accelerating in 2nd gear the revs drop a couple of hundred revs at exactly the same place (2200 rpm) and then continue to climb. It only ever happens in 2nd gear and always at the same revs.

bermyandy

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Monday 14th August 2006
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Doesnt happen on mine im afraid..

Fasteddie1

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Monday 14th August 2006
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No worries.

johnfm

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280 months

Monday 14th August 2006
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Does it only happen when driving fairly gingerly? Check whether you get the same thing under really hard acceleration. I bet you don't. I reckon its just the mechanical torque converter lock up - this used to happen with my 964 titpronic.

jonny996

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Monday 14th August 2006
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nope not on mine, what does it do in manual mode?

Fasteddie1

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It does it whilst accerelating gingerly and aggressively, unfortunately. I think it also does it in manual mode.

BliarOut

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Monday 14th August 2006
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Is it actually the revs dropping or is it that you can feel the torque converter locking up? The torque converter does slip in second and you can feel it even in M mode.

Fasteddie1

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The revs definitely drop by about 100-200 rpm, and of course the rate of accerlation briefly falls away as well.

BliarOut

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So it's definitely seperate to usual the torque converter slip?

Fasteddie1

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Sorry, but I'm not sure what the normal torque convertor slip feels like. The acceleration should be smoothe through the rev range, I assume, and what I'm experiencing is a definite blip in the rise of revs.

BliarOut

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Monday 14th August 2006
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Fasteddie1 said:
Sorry, but I'm not sure what the normal torque convertor slip feels like. The acceleration should be smoothe through the rev range, I assume, and what I'm experiencing is a definite blip in the rise of revs.
That's why I loaded the question

All tippy cars will exibit a feeling of slip as the torque converter fully locks up. It's more noticeable if you let it pull off in second but it's definitely still there. Normal behaviour is a sensation of slip as you pull away followed by a very feint but still noticeable clunk as the torque converter locks. After that point the drive is locked and you can't detect the fluid clutch.

Just trying to work out if you are feeling normal behaviour or there is a fault.

Fasteddie1

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That's very kind. I understand now what you mean by torque slip and how it feels, but this definitely does seem to me to be a fault, as opposed to the correct normal operation of the gearbox.

BliarOut

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Monday 14th August 2006
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I'll go and play with mine when I go for a sarnie and watch the rev counter.

Where do I send the bill if I run off the road?

jonny996

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just been out in mine & it does seem to only go into full drive mode about 2200 mark, ie the torque thing.

What if you stick it in M & then down to 1st does it still do it then?

BliarOut

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Right, been provoking it a bit

If you use a wide throttle opening from virtually a standstill in third you can provoke a 400 RPM rev drop.

The effect can be made more or less pronounced by varying the throttle position. I would say your RPM drop is perfectly normal for a torque converter equipped car.

job38

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Fasteddie1 said:
Has anyone experienced the following problem with a tiptronic gearbox on a 996: whilst accelerating in 2nd gear the revs drop a couple of hundred revs at exactly the same place (2200 rpm) and then continue to climb. It only ever happens in 2nd gear and always at the same revs.


I experienced the very same. JZM claimed it was air flow sensor (I think, please don't quote me). Anyway, they new exactly what I meant as soon as I described it, Cleaned the sensor and it was fine for a few weeks, now its back again.

Fasteddie1

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Monday 14th August 2006
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Oddly enough I've also had a check light come on, so I took it down to RGA. The diagnostic showed that an air flow sensor was faulty, which they replaced (at a cost of £250!). The revs things is still there, but the warning light is not. Is a normal automatic gearbox a torque convertor? Because I've driven lots of automatic cars (my other car is an automatic Audi Allroad with the ability to change gears manually on the steering wheel), and I've never experienced this before.

Edited by Fasteddie1 on Monday 14th August 15:11

Fasteddie1

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jonny996 said:
just been out in mine & it does seem to only go into full drive mode about 2200 mark, ie the torque thing.

What if you stick it in M & then down to 1st does it still do it then?


Yes it does seem to. The same thing happens if I'm pulling away in 1st or 2nd gear, in manual mode or automatic. Hmmm.

BliarOut

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Monday 14th August 2006
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Fasteddie1 said:
Oddly enough I've also had a check light come on, so I took it down to RGA. The diagnostic showed that an air flow sensor was faulty, which they replaced (at a cost of £250!). The revs things is still there, but the warning light is not. Is a normal automatic gearbox a torque convertor? Because I've driven lots of automatic cars (my other car is an automatic Audi Allroad with the ability to change gears manually on the steering wheel), and I've never experienced this before.

Edited by Fasteddie1 on Monday 14th August 15:11
The Porsche Tiptronic system is a 'normal' automatic gearbox, ie equipped with a torque converter as opposed to a standard clutch. Mine definitely can be coaxed into dropping a few RPM depending on how I pull off. Large throttle openings at low RPM make the drop more pronounced.

BliarOut

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Monday 14th August 2006
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Just thought of another question.

Does it happen if you let the revs drop below 2200 RPM and then go back above or does it only happen when you are pulling off from rest?