Luggage containers and fume/fire seals?
Luggage containers and fume/fire seals?
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luckyp

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6,243 posts

254 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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1)Do I need both? I see both described in the instructions but don't have any fume/fires in the boxes. There is no mention whether to fit one other ot both?

2)If it's just the containers (as I'm guessing) do they butt up to the front rail or the rear - or hover somewhere in between?

3)slots for the heater pipes? Why not feed pipes in through holes after fitting the containers - am I missing something here?

Ta guy

Pete

steve_d

13,802 posts

287 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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The boxes butt against the front rail.
You want the gap around the pipes as small as possible so the pipes should be there first.
You still need the fume seal against the rear rail but these have to be fitted at the same time as the pods as you will need to cut and file them to fit as close as possible to the pod fibreglass to get a good seal.

Steve

luckyp

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6,243 posts

254 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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cheers Steve.

crafty

2,291 posts

266 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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Ladies and gentlemen, up next we have Lucky P representing Ultima in the car building Olympics 4 month sprint event.

DHGTR

1,196 posts

272 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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Ted told me you know longer need the fume seals if you have the luggage pods fitted.

luckyp

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6,243 posts

254 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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Dave, could explain why they ate not in the boxes.

Hmmm........factory call brewing.

Crafty - I don't recall Michael Johnson having to down spikes and flip burgers for 8 hours between the quarter finals and the semis??!!

This work lark is annoying!

stig

11,823 posts

313 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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Pete - as Dave said, the fume seals are a legacy from the Sport design. You don't really need them in the GTR.

Regarding the hoses, no reason you can't thread them through, but you really need to pre-drill them first as it will be a pain to do when in place. If you do drill holes for them, make sure the edges are dulled (prefereably use a large grommet too) or they'll chafe through the hoses in no time.

>> Edited by stig on Thursday 9th February 09:42

luckyp

Original Poster:

6,243 posts

254 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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Factory answer:

Butts against REAR rail. Ensure that other end is braced so no panel flex when operating the front release pulls.

Fire/fume seals not needed.

I never know whether to ask the audience or phone a friend!!!!

stig

11,823 posts

313 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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lol - I just checked my build sites and I had them butted rear in the GTR and front in the Can-Am!

Don't really see that it makes any odds really?

davefiddes

846 posts

289 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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There were no fume seals in my kit (mid 2002). I found that if there are any fumes in the engine bay it is quite possible for them to make their way under the luggage boxes and into the cockpit under some circumstances.

I discovered this as a problem a few months after I got my car on the road. Since then I've cut some of the dense style closed cell foam used to pad the fuel tanks, etc and fitted that as a mostly air tight seal. This has stopped the fumes fromt he engine back completely...which is great. I nearly had some passengers throw up on me...and it wasn't down to my driving!

Did wonder about a No More Big Gaps style foam but I wasn't sure how fuel safe it would be.

cliveg

199 posts

273 months

Friday 10th February 2006
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I've riveted some spare ally to the rear of the luggage boxes to reduce the gap, and then used sealant and some of Ted's expanding foam tape to fill the remaining gap.

steve_d

13,802 posts

287 months

Friday 10th February 2006
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If the seal plate is not used then some other seal will be required as there is a clear path from the engine bay past both sides and bottom of the luggage box and the side pod skin. The fumes will then rise from the front of the pod and up under the dash.
I would think the easiest would be to use aerosol expanding foam as used in the building trade and use it at the front of the luggage box clear of the engine heat issues.
Also ensure the holes the heater hoses pass through are also sealed.

Something else to consider, Before completing and sealing the side pods lay a piece of electricians conduit in the bottom of the pod passing under the box. This will prove very usefull late when you say, sh1t, I wish I could run another wire from the fuse box/battery to the back of the car. The front end of the tube can be sealed with a screwed-up piece of foam to stop fumes.

Steve

stig

11,823 posts

313 months

Friday 10th February 2006
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As Steve mentions, the conduit is a VERY good idea. See my Can-Am site for details.

cliveg

199 posts

273 months

Friday 10th February 2006
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If you seal the back end of the conduit, you might find the seal a tad awkward to undo

>> Edited by cliveg on Friday 10th February 12:44

luckyp

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6,243 posts

254 months

Friday 10th February 2006
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Not so simple as first thought then............

I will tread carefully on this one.

Hubs and ends sprayed a lovely metallic graphite. Should be rolling before monday morning.

Pete