How not to stop two dogs fighting.
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Took the dog for his regular 1 hour walk to the park he`s very well behaved and i can trust him off the lead, he is a Neopolitan mastiff he`s big and friendly and not been castrated, he`s 5 years old.
As usual we met up with another dog walker, its a friendly 30 ish year old woman with a staff, its on the lead seems keen to sniff but does`nt look aggresive. Oh how wrong you can be.
There i am talking to the woman for 10 minutes when without warning the dog waits till Dino (my dog) gets too close and then kicks off, even the woman said her dog started it.
Its male, its been castrated, (fat lot of use that was) It went straight for the throat sunk its teeth in and would`nt let go, she pulled her dog, by the way it was called Brian.
I could`nt get my dog away because this staff had him by the throat.
So what do you do?
Grab its balls? no there are`nt any to grab.
Hit it with the lead?, no its a rope lead.
I decided to make a fist with my right hand and bring it down on the dogs head like a hammer, nothing, again, nothing.
8 heavy and i mean heavy blows later its still not left go, luckily it had his throat and his harness in its teeth maybe the last blow made it leave go of his neck but not his harness so i quickly popped his hasness off.
Result, well yes and no.
I was now crumpled on the floor out of breath and then realising my hand was hurting.
Brian had blood and snot dripping from his mouth and a strange, i can only call it a bubble of blood on the top of his head, the young woman apologised and asked if i wanted her mobile number incase my dog was injured but i said its ok.
My right hand is now 30% bigger than my left hand and sore as hell.
I just hope Brian has got a sore head.
Before she left she said "I can`t understand that, he has`nt done that for 2 years", O and by the way she got it from the rescue.
As usual we met up with another dog walker, its a friendly 30 ish year old woman with a staff, its on the lead seems keen to sniff but does`nt look aggresive. Oh how wrong you can be.
There i am talking to the woman for 10 minutes when without warning the dog waits till Dino (my dog) gets too close and then kicks off, even the woman said her dog started it.
Its male, its been castrated, (fat lot of use that was) It went straight for the throat sunk its teeth in and would`nt let go, she pulled her dog, by the way it was called Brian.
I could`nt get my dog away because this staff had him by the throat.
So what do you do?
Grab its balls? no there are`nt any to grab.
Hit it with the lead?, no its a rope lead.
I decided to make a fist with my right hand and bring it down on the dogs head like a hammer, nothing, again, nothing.
8 heavy and i mean heavy blows later its still not left go, luckily it had his throat and his harness in its teeth maybe the last blow made it leave go of his neck but not his harness so i quickly popped his hasness off.
Result, well yes and no.
I was now crumpled on the floor out of breath and then realising my hand was hurting.
Brian had blood and snot dripping from his mouth and a strange, i can only call it a bubble of blood on the top of his head, the young woman apologised and asked if i wanted her mobile number incase my dog was injured but i said its ok.
My right hand is now 30% bigger than my left hand and sore as hell.
I just hope Brian has got a sore head.
Before she left she said "I can`t understand that, he has`nt done that for 2 years", O and by the way she got it from the rescue.
Too late now, but you can often stop the dog that is doing the biting by covering up it's nose so that it cannot breath!
My dog got attacked by a staff years ago and I had to use this method to get the staff of her!
At least you were offered the owners details - I just got yelled at by the owner of the staff for allowing my dog to be attacked!!! Unfortunatly, I couldn't hang around to argue with them as my dog had limped off on her own and I didn't know where she had gone to (She had actually limped home and was waiting for me on the doorstep!)
My dog got attacked by a staff years ago and I had to use this method to get the staff of her!
At least you were offered the owners details - I just got yelled at by the owner of the staff for allowing my dog to be attacked!!! Unfortunatly, I couldn't hang around to argue with them as my dog had limped off on her own and I didn't know where she had gone to (She had actually limped home and was waiting for me on the doorstep!)
bmw114 said:
Before she left she said "I can`t understand that, he has`nt done that for 2 years"
Thats the telling line, she has a dog with a history of extreme agression towards other dogs yet still walks it un-muzzled in a public place.
Thats beyond irresponsible.
If its happened once, it will happen again.
You were pretty lucky though. My dogs are soft as hell, havent ever even growled at another dog or person and their parents and siblings are the same.
The owner of my dog's parents took in a dog belonging to a neighbour, who decided to go for an elderly samoyed in a savage fashion. When the guy waded in to seperate them he'd been lulled into a false sense of security from owning his samoyeds over the years.
He was attacked by the other dog once he managed to get it off the samoyed. My dog's mother (got to be in her very late teens) sustained enough injuries it took her well over a year to recover and the vet had suggested putting her down...
If I had a quid for every time I'd been told by an owner that "their dog could be trusted off a lead" I'd have quit work a long time ago. I'm not a fan of dogs particularly so call me biased, but I dont think they should ever be off the lead in a public place.
Just last night my wife and I nearly had a nasty accident after a dog walker decided their pet was safe off the lead, unfortunately the dog didn't seem to understand that running across a road on a tight blind corner was a bad idea. Fortunately nothing was coming the other way so I was able to (relatively) safely brake and swerve to avoid it and prevent her dog becoming a hood ornament - last time I had a dog off the lead run in front of me I had no choice but to obliterate it and still had the pleasure of paying for the repairs to my car.
Just last night my wife and I nearly had a nasty accident after a dog walker decided their pet was safe off the lead, unfortunately the dog didn't seem to understand that running across a road on a tight blind corner was a bad idea. Fortunately nothing was coming the other way so I was able to (relatively) safely brake and swerve to avoid it and prevent her dog becoming a hood ornament - last time I had a dog off the lead run in front of me I had no choice but to obliterate it and still had the pleasure of paying for the repairs to my car.
These are artificially created breeds (as all dogs other than Wolves are of course), but are absolutely indefensible to any well balanced person.
Staffs, Pitbulls and possibly even Dobermans, Rottweilers etc should be outlawed. They are like loaded weapons that may never go off...but one day they might and then the results can be catastrophic.
And the people that own these breeds are exactly the kind of people that shouldn't be allowed to own these breeds...
Staffs, Pitbulls and possibly even Dobermans, Rottweilers etc should be outlawed. They are like loaded weapons that may never go off...but one day they might and then the results can be catastrophic.
And the people that own these breeds are exactly the kind of people that shouldn't be allowed to own these breeds...
anonymous said:
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Bit of a sweeping statement there, both about the dogs and the owners. We had a Rottie for 8 years and he was fine, and never muzzled either.
Dogs are like humans you have good ones and bad ones, unpredictable true, but looking at the breeders and being careful about where you buy will give you a pretty good idea of what the dog is probably going to be like.
Oh and by the way I don't think I fit into your category of people who own these breeds.
anonymous said:
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Kinda agree but not everyone is like that. A dog is a lot of work to look after and you need to force your personality on it to control it. Unfortunately a lot of people who have no character buy these things for instant kudos, they have neither the wit nor the patience to learn how to control them and, as you say, we end up with an accident waiting to happen.
WannaNiceCar said:
Too late now, but you can often stop the dog that is doing the biting by covering up it's nose so that it cannot breath!
Something tells me he might not be that happy with his nose covered up once he lets go. Your hand would probably be next! And do you think your dog is gonna return the favour and bash him on the bonce for you?
Next time in that situation, you take one finger and SLOWLY compress the dogs eye.
I.E your thumb on the dogs eye. It doesn't matter whether the dog has its eyes open or closed, and you slowly press forward until the dog backs away by letting go of its grip.
It is the most controlled way to give pain to the dog. Other than that a kick at the rear third of the dogs body, so further to the rear than the ribs but not as far back as the legs. This is a more risky manouver and can harm the dog.
The thumb in the eye relies on the dog being stationary when you apply the thumb but is very effective.
I.E your thumb on the dogs eye. It doesn't matter whether the dog has its eyes open or closed, and you slowly press forward until the dog backs away by letting go of its grip.
It is the most controlled way to give pain to the dog. Other than that a kick at the rear third of the dogs body, so further to the rear than the ribs but not as far back as the legs. This is a more risky manouver and can harm the dog.
The thumb in the eye relies on the dog being stationary when you apply the thumb but is very effective.
alltorque said:
Something tells me he might not be that happy with his nose covered up once he lets go. Your hand would probably be next! And do you think your dog is gonna return the favour and bash him on the bonce for you?
I never said that it was a safe method, just that it was effective! The stupid thing about that encounter was that I DID get bitten!.... Not by the staff, but my own dog trying to fight her way out of the situation!
My dog wouldn't have returned the favour for me either as she was too busy limping off home! So much for dogs offering protection!
Two I've read about.
1) Light your newspaper and advance towards the head. [dads army]they don't like it up 'em [/dads army]. Not much help if you're illiterate and non smoking.
B) Grab the aggressor by both hind legs and lift them off the ground whilst retreating.
Throw.
*disclaimer* I've never seen these tried so cannot vouch for their validity.
1) Light your newspaper and advance towards the head. [dads army]they don't like it up 'em [/dads army]. Not much help if you're illiterate and non smoking.
B) Grab the aggressor by both hind legs and lift them off the ground whilst retreating.
Throw.
*disclaimer* I've never seen these tried so cannot vouch for their validity.
Julian64 said:
This is a more risky manouver and can harm the dog.
God knows what I'd do if one of my dogs was being attacked, but "not harming the other dog" would be the very last thing on my mind. Mine are literally big fluffy wimps and flee at the first sign of trouble, anyone or anything trying to harm my dog and I will not be held responsible for my actions!
TheLemming said:
This is a more risky manouver and can harm the dog.
God knows what I'd do if one of my dogs was being attacked, but "not harming the other dog" would be the very last thing on my mind. Mine are literally big fluffy wimps and flee at the first sign of trouble, anyone or anything trying to harm my dog and I will not be held responsible for my actions!
Awwh you big softie
. Pop quiz, your in a lifeboat and there's only one space left to your right is your dog in the sea, and to the left is a man in the sea with a bad hairpiece.
WADDAD you do?
anonymous said:
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ordinarily Alex, your comments are well thought out and reasonable.
Has a bigoted fool hijacked your account per chance, if so, fair enough, but if not, i expected better.
it is like saying a porsche is capable of running into a bus full of school children at 200 mph, truthful, but unlikely. stop perpetuating these idiotic points of view, they are crass and ill-considered.
ps. 3 rottweilers owned and not a single skinhead or jackboot in sight
TheLemming said:
God knows what I'd do if one of my dogs was being attacked, but "not harming the other dog" would be the very last thing on my mind. Mine are literally big fluffy wimps and flee at the first sign of trouble, anyone or anything trying to harm my dog and I will not be held responsible for my actions!
Agreed. You mess with my little Westie and death is in order!!!!
BMW - really sorry to hear about this - hope your dog is OK now.
My dog was attacked a while ago by 2 russel terriers (viscous little bastards these ones were) and the owner said "they don't NORMALLY do that" People who have dogs with even the slightest element of aggression in them should always muzzle them or keep on a lead in public. I also agree with the staement about on a lead near roads....I have seen dogs get killed and cars totalled when a dog does a sudden, unexpected runner.
a staff has av ery good grip and a locking jaw it very difficult to get to let go once there locked un like another dog.
only real way is breathing like winding it in the ribs causeing it to let go involentry same with hand other mouth.
any dog that is a locker is hard to get off hence the pitball gread dogs nut againg locking jaw
i wouldent recomend poking one in the eye. i may let go but will lock again quickly.
and dont even bother trying to pry there moth open normally no chance more chance whith you larger dog as mastiffs dont lock.
>> Edited by OUTLAW-1 on Monday 9th January 15:38
only real way is breathing like winding it in the ribs causeing it to let go involentry same with hand other mouth.
any dog that is a locker is hard to get off hence the pitball gread dogs nut againg locking jaw
i wouldent recomend poking one in the eye. i may let go but will lock again quickly.
and dont even bother trying to pry there moth open normally no chance more chance whith you larger dog as mastiffs dont lock.
>> Edited by OUTLAW-1 on Monday 9th January 15:38
These breeds surely can be troublesome. Bloke my dad knew used to breed Staffs and train them with a golf club to the skull - apparantly it was the only way to slow them down when they had completely gone loopy.
He lost one on Peckham Rye one day. It was found by an animal loving lady - apparantly he was very docile and gentle with her. She took him home and left him in the lounge whilst phoning the police to report the find. When she came back into the room, her Macaw parrot that was also in the lounge had gone - the dog had eaten it!
Personally, if a dog was attacking my dog, I wouldn't care too much about the health of the attacker, and would use whatever force necessary to stop it. Any complaint would be followed by a "sue me"... dangerous breed, out of control, un-muzzled.... should be a fun case.
He lost one on Peckham Rye one day. It was found by an animal loving lady - apparantly he was very docile and gentle with her. She took him home and left him in the lounge whilst phoning the police to report the find. When she came back into the room, her Macaw parrot that was also in the lounge had gone - the dog had eaten it!
Personally, if a dog was attacking my dog, I wouldn't care too much about the health of the attacker, and would use whatever force necessary to stop it. Any complaint would be followed by a "sue me"... dangerous breed, out of control, un-muzzled.... should be a fun case.
My dog is ok but has slept alot since the attack so i`ve booked him in at the Vets tomorrow, he should be OK.
When he was 12 weeks old he was attacked by a 2 year old dog the owner paid the vets bill but i still was`nt too happy about it.
I called in at the police station to ask them "What exactly can i do if this happens again". They said "Its a civil matter" If i carry a walking stick and i have`nt got a limp it an offensive weapon, I gave it alot of thought and then one day i was in the pet shop and there it was, just what i`d been looking for.
The biggest, heaviest dog lead i`ve ever seen, it weighs about 7 or 8 pounds unfortunatly i did`nt have it with me yesterday but you can bet i won`t make that mistake again.
I don`t agree with the "all dogs are untrustworthy" theory, i`ve had 3 Rottwieller and they were no trouble, this Staff had been put in to Rescue for a reason and the chances are it was for being aggresive so instead of having it put down they pass the problem on to somebody else.
Thats like saying all BMW drivers think they own the road,
No forget i said that. (joke)
When he was 12 weeks old he was attacked by a 2 year old dog the owner paid the vets bill but i still was`nt too happy about it.
I called in at the police station to ask them "What exactly can i do if this happens again". They said "Its a civil matter" If i carry a walking stick and i have`nt got a limp it an offensive weapon, I gave it alot of thought and then one day i was in the pet shop and there it was, just what i`d been looking for.
The biggest, heaviest dog lead i`ve ever seen, it weighs about 7 or 8 pounds unfortunatly i did`nt have it with me yesterday but you can bet i won`t make that mistake again.
I don`t agree with the "all dogs are untrustworthy" theory, i`ve had 3 Rottwieller and they were no trouble, this Staff had been put in to Rescue for a reason and the chances are it was for being aggresive so instead of having it put down they pass the problem on to somebody else.
Thats like saying all BMW drivers think they own the road,
No forget i said that. (joke)
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