Nimrod MRA4 UK's B-52???
Discussion
www.flightinternational.com/Articles/2005/05/24/198299/ELINT+and+arms+under+study.html
Came across this while I was looking for info on a Gulfstream ELINT being developed for the RAF. (For the Low-flying Busimness jet thread).
Came across this while I was looking for info on a Gulfstream ELINT being developed for the RAF. (For the Low-flying Busimness jet thread).
Eric Mc said:
Network Enabled? What does that mean in the context of an aeroplane?
I think it would have something to do with "Twin Stars" ,,,, err i think thats what its called which is where every one is networked to see all the information that the AWACs see ,, or am i barking up the wrong tree
yertis said:
There was some speculative discussion a little while ago about the RAF aquiring some B52s - and it's amazing to think that the 50+ year old basic Comet airframe design might be being considered for our strategic deterrent capability beyond Trident.
yup, if it aint broke etc. Look how far the Shackleton lasted, I overheard some American aircrew wondering wether we were making a war movie when they saw them at Lossiemouth
Maybe your thinking of JSTARS?
www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jstars/
Can't see why the US is poking fun when they are using ancient B-52s and plan to do so so until they are 100 years old.
Network enabling probably means real time data sharing like on the new F-22s and any other decent aircraft being made which means aircraft can share data like radar contacts and so on, overlayed over a moving map display. Very useful as you can maintain radio silence and still know what everone is doing and what is going on or see when a new threat emerges. The JSTARS will suck up all this data from all friendly aircraft, ships, ground stations etc and AWACS ships and help to relay this and provide a wide picture of the entire battlefield area. Similar to what most computer games already have.
www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jstars/
Can't see why the US is poking fun when they are using ancient B-52s and plan to do so so until they are 100 years old.
Network enabling probably means real time data sharing like on the new F-22s and any other decent aircraft being made which means aircraft can share data like radar contacts and so on, overlayed over a moving map display. Very useful as you can maintain radio silence and still know what everone is doing and what is going on or see when a new threat emerges. The JSTARS will suck up all this data from all friendly aircraft, ships, ground stations etc and AWACS ships and help to relay this and provide a wide picture of the entire battlefield area. Similar to what most computer games already have.
porkus said:
Oh and the Nimrod is the most advanced Platform of its type anywhere in the world.
The basic airframe may have been based on the Comet but is very very different.
The Electronic systems within it far surpass anything that the US or any other nation has.
To be fair the electronics could be fitted to anything. The Nimrod has the same airframe as the comet with the addition of an extended underbelly to provide a bomb bay and the engines have been upgraded to allow it the capability to loiter on reduced power, it is also pretty nippy and agile for a big aircraft. It does have various bumps and bulges for searchlights MAD etc
r988 said:
Maybe your thinking of JSTARS?
www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jstars/
Thanks mate thats the booger
i knew it were summat to do with stars I think you will find the Nimrod's fuselage (minus mad boom), is actually shorter than the comet.
The early trials Nimrods were basically a modified Comet.
Of course the MR1/MR2, were fitted with the Rolls Royce Spey Turbofan, as opposed the the Avons in the Comet. The biggest updrades were in the early 1980's when the MR1s were upgraded with the EMI Searchwater Radar, and became MR2.
The New MRA4, has a completely new wing, with BMW Rolls Royce Turbofans, which I believe are very quiet and not smoky like the Speys
The A or attack designation has been added, and has been rumoured lately that this could be used as a bomber or for launching missiles.
I think there will only be 12 of these aircraft. They are so heavily modified that they have been allocated new serial numbers.
The R1 is used for Elint work from RAF Waddington. There are 3 aircraft. I was speaking to the crew at Fairford this year and got them to sign a photo I took of the aircraft they arrived in two days previously. These aircraft will not be upgraded to the MRA4 standard ie, engine/wings.
There was a rumour a few eyars back that the US offered some B1's to the UK when they were being retired. We wisely turned them down.
>> Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 6th January 15:13
The early trials Nimrods were basically a modified Comet.
Of course the MR1/MR2, were fitted with the Rolls Royce Spey Turbofan, as opposed the the Avons in the Comet. The biggest updrades were in the early 1980's when the MR1s were upgraded with the EMI Searchwater Radar, and became MR2.
The New MRA4, has a completely new wing, with BMW Rolls Royce Turbofans, which I believe are very quiet and not smoky like the Speys
The A or attack designation has been added, and has been rumoured lately that this could be used as a bomber or for launching missiles.
I think there will only be 12 of these aircraft. They are so heavily modified that they have been allocated new serial numbers.
The R1 is used for Elint work from RAF Waddington. There are 3 aircraft. I was speaking to the crew at Fairford this year and got them to sign a photo I took of the aircraft they arrived in two days previously.
These aircraft will not be upgraded to the MRA4 standard ie, engine/wings. There was a rumour a few eyars back that the US offered some B1's to the UK when they were being retired. We wisely turned them down.
>> Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 6th January 15:13
Could be something to do with JSF (F35) being based in Lossiemouth as well !?!
apache said:
There was some speculative discussion a little while ago about the RAF aquiring some B52s - and it's amazing to think that the 50+ year old basic Comet airframe design might be being considered for our strategic deterrent capability beyond Trident.
yup, if it aint broke etc. Look how far the Shackleton lasted, I overheard some American aircrew wondering wether we were making a war movie when they saw them at Lossiemouth
[quote=apache]I see what you mean, a lot cleaner and those engines look huge. Weren't the original airframes modified early Comets, the short nose version?
Not really sure on the length of the first test one/ones. They were based more on a Comet.
>> Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 6th January 15:30
Not really sure on the length of the first test one/ones. They were based more on a Comet.
>> Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 6th January 15:30
r988 said:
Maybe your thinking of JSTARS?
www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jstars/
Can't see why the US is poking fun when they are using ancient B-52s and plan to do so so until they are 100 years old.
Network enabling probably means real time data sharing like on the new F-22s and any other decent aircraft being made which means aircraft can share data like radar contacts and so on, overlayed over a moving map display. Very useful as you can maintain radio silence and still know what everone is doing and what is going on or see when a new threat emerges. The JSTARS will suck up all this data from all friendly aircraft, ships, ground stations etc and AWACS ships and help to relay this and provide a wide picture of the entire battlefield area. Similar to what most computer games already have.
from what you describe, JTIDS already does just about everything JSTARS does, and its alreay been fitted to various aircraft,ships and battlefied command centres.
eccles said:
Maybe your thinking of JSTARS?
www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jstars/
Can't see why the US is poking fun when they are using ancient B-52s and plan to do so so until they are 100 years old.
Network enabling probably means real time data sharing like on the new F-22s and any other decent aircraft being made which means aircraft can share data like radar contacts and so on, overlayed over a moving map display. Very useful as you can maintain radio silence and still know what everone is doing and what is going on or see when a new threat emerges. The JSTARS will suck up all this data from all friendly aircraft, ships, ground stations etc and AWACS ships and help to relay this and provide a wide picture of the entire battlefield area. Similar to what most computer games already have.
from what you describe, JTIDS already does just about everything JSTARS does, and its alreay been fitted to various aircraft,ships and battlefied command centres.
Link 16 is the latest data link to be in trials. However the old thorny issue of technology transfer raises it's head again as the US ain't gonna give ANYONE the version fitted to say it's F/A22's so you get instant system (wide) degradation of system users.
The trick is therefore to get all the different "national" systems to work together.
MoJo
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