£500 fine for closing door on council tax inspector
£500 fine for closing door on council tax inspector
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Mon Ami Mate

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6,589 posts

298 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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£500 fine for closing door on council tax inspector
By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor
(Filed: 11/12/2005)

Householders who close the door on or refuse to cooperate with bureaucrats sent to check their property for features that will increase their council tax bills could be fined £500 and receive a criminal record.

The fines will be imposed on anybody who "intentionally obstructs" Valuation Office Agency inspectors in their effort to record details of millions of homes. The move is likely to create more council tax rebels who refuse to pay fines, clog the courts and bring further chaos to the system.

Conservatives demanded last night that the inspectors' powers be abolished and described the fines as "outrageous".

Last month the Sunday Telegraph revealed how ministers planned to levy extra charges on homes that have a nice view, a swimming pool, a tennis court or a balcony, as well as those in conservation areas, next to a golf course or with more bedrooms or a bigger garden than average.

These "value significant features" could push a house into a higher council tax band in a nationwide revaluation, which is due to be completed by 2007. This could cost householders hundreds of pounds extra in council tax each year.

Valuation inspectors, using a new £45 million computer system, are undertaking this massive exercise in England. They have also been equipped with 2,126 digital cameras at a cost of £438,749 to the taxpayer.

Parliamentary answers given by Hazel Blears, the Home Office minister, show that anybody who refuses to let inspectors in could face a criminal charge.

She said: "A person who intentionally obstructs a valuation officer commits an offence and may be liable to a fine not exceeding level two [£500] on the standard scale."

Other parliamentary answers by the Government show that the valuation will also be used to assess liability for inheritance or capital gains tax.

Caroline Spelman, the shadow local government secretary, said: "Day by day it is becoming clearer that while Labour may claim to have postponed revaluation, it is actually well under way by stealth. The computer database is being rolled out across the country with the details of every home logged.

"Although Conservatives cannot condone people breaking the law, fining them £500 and giving them a criminal record if they don't co-operate is outrageous. The Valuation Office Agency's powers to enter people's homes should be abolished."

The revaluation had been postponed by ministers who feared a backlash over higher bills from voters in the South of England.

However, the parliamentary replies show that the exercise is now under way. The revaluation carried out in Wales suggests that, in England, owners of a Band D property will face an extra £267 on their council tax bill if they go up two bands.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/11/ntax11.xml&DCMP=EMC-new_11122005

hedders

24,460 posts

277 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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What about if you just don't open the door in the first place?

My front door is there for my convenience, I don't have to get up off my arse just because someone stands the other side of it.

deltafox

3,839 posts

262 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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They might get in but they wont get out.

rich 36

13,739 posts

296 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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And we should brick up any windows too

hedders

24,460 posts

277 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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rich 36 said:
And we should brick up any windows too


Lets start with the council tax inspectors windows.

R988

7,498 posts

259 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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deltafox said:
They might get in but they wont get out.


You may want to take some photos of my Piranha infested pond, careful it's slippery round the edge, oops, oh dear, what a shame, oh well I did warn him....

krusty

2,473 posts

279 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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Door entry camera. If I don't like the look of them, I'm not in.

ridds

8,372 posts

274 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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rich 36 said:
And we should brick up any windows too


They'll probably charge you for the privilege,

bmgm3

10,480 posts

273 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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krusty said:
Door entry camera. If I don't like the look of them, I'm not in.


Same here. Great for carol singers and the like

toni896

2,188 posts

256 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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if i'm not expecting you, i'm not opening the door to you !
I guess they will just use a neighbours house as an estimate then.

>> Edited by toni896 on Sunday 11th December 10:57

voyds9

8,490 posts

313 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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Just dug up the garden and parked a rotting Nissan Bluebird on it, hopeing for a reduction due to bad views etc.

D_Mike

5,301 posts

270 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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If they are taking their photos with digital cameras (as mnetioned in the article) how can they prove they are authentic and haven't been photoshopped etc. to increase the apparent value of your property?

pesty

42,655 posts

286 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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Im not having starngers walking around my house going into my daughters bedrooms and taking pictures! Too far, enough is enough.

Ribol

11,995 posts

288 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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This has all been done before, anyone remember studying Morton's Fork at school?

The expression originates from a policy of tax collection devised by John Morton, Lord Chancellor 1487, under the rule of Henry VII. His approach was that if the subject lived in luxury and had clearly spent a lot of money on himself, he obviously had sufficient income to spare for the king. Alternatively, if the subject lived frugally, and showed no sign of being wealthy, he must have had substantial savings and could therefore afford to give it to the king. These arguments were the two prongs of the fork and regardless of whether the subject was rich or poor, he didn't have a favourable choice.


GKP

15,099 posts

271 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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Ribol said:
This has all been done before, anyone remember studying Morton's Fork at school?

The expression originates from a policy of tax collection devised by John Morton, Lord Chancellor 1487, under the rule of Henry VII. His approach was that if the subject lived in luxury and had clearly spent a lot of money on himself, he obviously had sufficient income to spare for the king. Alternatively, if the subject lived frugally, and showed no sign of being wealthy, he must have had substantial savings and could therefore afford to give it to the king. These arguments were the two prongs of the fork and regardless of whether the subject was rich or poor, he didn't have a favourable choice.




Loosely translated: these inspectors can fork off.

Ribol

11,995 posts

288 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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GKP said:
Loosely translated: these inspectors can fork off.

Even more loosely translated: no matter what you do you will get forked

Boosted Ls1

21,200 posts

290 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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pesty said:
Im not having starngers walking around my house going into my daughters bedrooms and taking pictures! Too far, enough is enough.


Can I get to know you first (assuming they aren't children of course).

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pies

13,116 posts

286 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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What right of entry do these inspectors have?
What law is being broken?

BliarOut

72,863 posts

269 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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What if you say you don't believe their ID? Ring up the police, who will be too busy to assist, so you can't let them in. Appear helpful of course

yertis

19,733 posts

296 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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What's the penalty for not letting them out again?