'Naked' marine denies bully claim
'Naked' marine denies bully claim
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Jaglover

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46,811 posts

265 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Appears it was a lot of fuss about nothing

BBC Article

'Naked' marine denies bully claim

Marines fighting in footage obtained by the News of the World
A Royal Marine shown in footage leaked to a newspaper lying naked and unconscious during an initiation ritual has denied he was bullied.
Ray Simmons, 23, told the Daily Mirror newspaper the colleague who hit him was a "good mate", saying "it was just a game that went too far."

The footage, handed to the News of World, sparked widespread condemnation.

A criminal inquiry is being carried out into the incident at 42 Commando's Bickleigh Barracks near Plymouth.

The footage showed two naked men fighting during an alcohol-fuelled "new joiners'" party - one of them Mr Simmons.

He then appeared to be kicked in the face by a third marine.

"The bloke who kicked me in the head is one of the nicest guys in the company," he said.

"He's going through hell for one mistake, but we all make mistakes and I don't hold a grudge.

"It's been claimed I was the victim of ritual abuse, but that's untrue ... It's just marine humour."

'Not tolerated

The Ministry of Defence has said bullying in the military would not be tolerated.

It also said it was "very far from an official training exercise" and that it was trying to establish what lay "behind" the video.

A former Commander of British forces in Bosnia, Colonel Bob Stewart, said the footage shocked him to the core .

I love being in the Marines. I wouldn't change my company for the world

Ray Simmons

The News of the World newspaper said the footage had been filmed covertly by another marine at 42 Commando's base at Bickleigh Barracks in May.

Twelve soldiers who had just finished their 32-week commando training were alleged to have taken part in the initiation ritual, while around 40 other marines - also stripped naked - watched.

The marine who filmed the alleged fight told the newspaper the ritual was more than drunken antics and that the protagonists were forced to fight in a humiliating manner.

But Mr Simmons said: "This has been blown up out of all proportion. I was appalled that the image of the marines was being tarnished unfairly.

"I love being in the marines. I wouldn't change my company for the world."

axeman30

9,325 posts

257 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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As I said to the Mrs at the time, these aren't ordinary men, they are trained to kill people, they will have ways of dealing with the resulting stress that are completely out of the frame of reference to the average office worker or BBC journalist.

Marki

15,763 posts

300 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Jaglover said:


"The bloke who kicked me in the head is one of the nicest guys in the company," he said.



Ahh bless

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

285 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Jaglover said:
... It's just marine humour.......


Let's get naked and have a fight.......Hmmmmmmmm

MilnerR

8,273 posts

288 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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the video should be shown on al jezzera. That'll shit em up! This is what British Marines do for fun!

ge2

298 posts

279 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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News Of The World in bullshit story shocker!!! Whatever next?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

285 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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ge2 said:
News Of The World in bullshit story shocker!!! Whatever next?


.......Sun in bullshit story shocker.

wolf1

3,100 posts

280 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Bootneck humour is a thing to behold. Where else would you get 30 naked blokes down town on the piss and none of them feel out of place. They are a very strange bunch but this is what bonds them together as a very tight unit. To understand it you either have to be one of them or work with them at some stage. There will always be those that gasp in horror and the usual wanna make it big reporter that glosses over the truth to get a career. This is the problem with the media these days, they have taken the art of making mountains out of molehills to a level never before percieved.

Marki

15,763 posts

300 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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mybrainhurts said:
Jaglover said:
... It's just marine humour.......


Let's get naked and have a fight.......Hmmmmmmmm



Dont forget "lets dress up like school girls And fight "

HarryW

16,047 posts

299 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Marki said:


Dont forget "lets dress up like school girls And fight "

Funny thing is as a Marine you could probably say that and get away with it. As an outsider, if you were to repeat it, I'd give you about 2 seconds before you were on your arse in the mud . They can be a litle hair triggered, particulary once they've had a beer.

Harry

Marki

15,763 posts

300 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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HarryW said:
Marki said:


Dont forget "lets dress up like school girls And fight "

Funny thing is as a Marine you could probably say that and get away with it. As an outsider, if you were to repeat it, I'd give you about 2 seconds before you were on your arse in the mud . They can be a litle hair triggered, particulary once they've had a beer.

Harry


nonegreen

7,803 posts

300 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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mybrainhurts said:
Jaglover said:
... It's just marine humour.......


Let's get naked and have a fight.......Hmmmmmmmm


Hmmmmm indeed sounds like blatant poofery to me.

smithsi

511 posts

259 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Marines are half navy what do you expect?

wolf1

3,100 posts

280 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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nonegreen said:
mybrainhurts said:
Jaglover said:
... It's just marine humour.......


Let's get naked and have a fight.......Hmmmmmmmm


Hmmmmm indeed sounds like blatant poofery to me.


Hmm Stinky Bait!

R988

7,498 posts

259 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Marki said:
Jaglover said:


"The bloke who kicked me in the head is one of the nicest guys in the company," he said.



Ahh bless



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