SIPPS shock from Gordon
SIPPS shock from Gordon
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axeman30

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9,325 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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Don't know if anybody else has picked this up by our future Prime Minister has just changed his mind about people being able to put a residential property into a SIPPS.

www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2005/12/06/cnbusip06.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2005/12/06/ixcitytop.html

Personally I would be very warey ( as I have previously said on this forum ) of any 'too good to be true' tax breaks that appear to dispropotionately favour higher rate tax payers that emanate from this government. They can and will change the rules at will, even retrospectively.

gasblaster

27,584 posts

309 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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This guy is a complete t*sser - how anyone can trust now him is beyond comprehension. The conservatives should grab this story and run with it.

simpo two

92,934 posts

295 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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Heard him blathering on R4 this morning. Not only would he not stop talking, every question was answered with 'I've spent lots on Public Services'. Yes Gordon, that's the problem, numbnuts.

Jaglover

46,810 posts

265 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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He says that like a mark of virtue, as if spending alone is enough.

I would prefer a politician who said 'I improved public services in a cost effective way'

tvrforever

3,196 posts

295 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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Jaglover said:
I would prefer a politician who stuck his head in a bucket on an island a long long long way away and stayed there for good

minicity

1,009 posts

261 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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I think the SIPPS thing has been handled really badly -but I actually think the final decision is the right one. It was one of the silliest ideas I'd ever heard.

axeman30

Original Poster:

9,325 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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minicity said:
I think the SIPPS thing has been handled really badly -but I actually think the final decision is the right one. It was one of the silliest ideas I'd ever heard.


Yes I actually agree with that. Alot of middle class would-be property developers up and down the country won't be very happy though, especially the ones who've put down deposits 'off plan' already for flats that will be complete next spring.

apache

39,731 posts

314 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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Can anyone summarise, I haven't had a chance to check it out

axeman30

Original Poster:

9,325 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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apache said:
Can anyone summarise, I haven't had a chance to check it out


You will not be able to put residential property in a SIPP and receive tax relief on it.

minicity

1,009 posts

261 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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Funnily enough - I am now getting vague memories that when I first heard about SIPPS there was a warning that the detail was not finalised and things might change before next April. It registered with me at the time because I thought the idea was so daft. Anyone else remember this?

axeman30

Original Poster:

9,325 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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minicity said:
Funnily enough - I am now getting vague memories that when I first heard about SIPPS there was a warning that the detail was not finalised and things might change before next April. It registered with me at the time because I thought the idea was so daft. Anyone else remember this?


All I remember is w/e broadsheets crapping on about a £7bn "wall of money" hitting the property market.

Glad to see that my long held mantra that "if the sunday papers financial sections are recommending it, either avoid or sell that asset class" is still providing me with good advice. They're a great contrarian indicator as they seem to specialise in persuading investors to get in at the top of any market just before the correction.

Jaglover

46,810 posts

265 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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minicity said:
I think the SIPPS thing has been handled really badly -but I actually think the final decision is the right one. It was one of the silliest ideas I'd ever heard.


I don't

What is the difference between a pension plan investing in property or in the stock market?

rich1231

17,340 posts

290 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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axeman30 said:
minicity said:
I think the SIPPS thing has been handled really badly -but I actually think the final decision is the right one. It was one of the silliest ideas I'd ever heard.


Yes I actually agree with that. Alot of middle class would-be property developers up and down the country won't be very happy though, especially the ones who've put down deposits 'off plan' already for flats that will be complete next spring.


Whats the "Middle Class" comment for?

rich1231

17,340 posts

290 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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Jaglover said:
minicity said:
I think the SIPPS thing has been handled really badly -but I actually think the final decision is the right one. It was one of the silliest ideas I'd ever heard.


I don't

What is the difference between a pension plan investing in property or in the stock market?


It would have allowed those working for their futures to actually have some more control over their pension funds.

axeman30

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9,325 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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rich1231 said:
axeman30 said:
minicity said:
I think the SIPPS thing has been handled really badly -but I actually think the final decision is the right one. It was one of the silliest ideas I'd ever heard.


Yes I actually agree with that. Alot of middle class would-be property developers up and down the country won't be very happy though, especially the ones who've put down deposits 'off plan' already for flats that will be complete next spring.


Whats the "Middle Class" comment for?


To annoy you Rich

And also because the most generous tax relief applied to 40% tax payers. Oh and because the w/e broad sheets seem to have been obsessed with the idea. They do tend to attract a certain readership.

>> Edited by axeman30 on Tuesday 6th December 10:30

xm5er

5,094 posts

278 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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apache said:
Can anyone summarise, I haven't had a chance to check it out


Bend over and take one for England.

Rob Ustly

77 posts

256 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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Aside from the rights and wrongs of the idea in the first place, it does seem diabolical that the idea is launched, and within 6-months reneged upon. For someone who was vaguely considering this as an option to try and recoup some of my pension fund that went t1ts up with Equitable Life, it hardly endears pensions to me as a worthwhile exercise.

Oh, but hang on a minute, isn't this the same government that has suddenly got all worried about pension provision and wants to do more to encourage uptake? Far too politicised for someone to risk putting their capital for the next couple of decades.

Perhaps I should give up generating wealth for the nation and become a public servant, retire on ill-health at 50 and not have to worry a stuff about who's got to pay for it.

axeman30

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9,325 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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Oh it also means that if you've been stuffing money into your SIPP in anticipation of the rule change......well that's tough, you cannot withdraw it now until you retire.

As Iv'e posted before, the tax benefits of a pension come at a cost, you put that money under government control.

Rob Ustly

77 posts

256 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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axeman30 said:

As Iv'e posted before, the tax benefits of a pension come at a cost, you put that money under government control.


Exactly.

apache

39,731 posts

314 months

Tuesday 6th December 2005
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axeman30 said:
apache said:
Can anyone summarise, I haven't had a chance to check it out


You will not be able to put residential property in a SIPP and receive tax relief on it.



not surprised that fell through, it was the only plan I had for my future, but it did sound too good to be true