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www.transport2000.org.uk/news/maintainNewsArticles.asp?NewsArticleID=272
So, you compare a single scheme for a single city, with the costs of a nation-wide road building programme? Nice.
Also, this: www.transport2000.org.uk/goodpractice/maintainGoodpractice.asp?GoodPracticeID=39
Have you ever seen a bus not speeding?
>> Edited by Parrot of doom on Sunday 13th November 13:06
T2000 report on supertram said:
Instead of investing in the Supertram, Alistair Darling has favoured spending money on more frequent bus services using new vehicles, dismissing costs for the tram scheme as too expensive. However, whilst the increase in the Supertram budget from £355m in 2001 to £486m has brought about its rejection, Government figures reveal that the cost of new road building has spiralled (3). The cost of 96 national and local road schemes have increased since first approved, with the bill for 39 national road proposals going up by an extra £1.3 billion.
So, you compare a single scheme for a single city, with the costs of a nation-wide road building programme? Nice.
Also, this: www.transport2000.org.uk/goodpractice/maintainGoodpractice.asp?GoodPracticeID=39
Have you ever seen a bus not speeding?
>> Edited by Parrot of doom on Sunday 13th November 13:06
Road building is based on a carefully calculated cost analysis/benefit by engineers, just hard fact and not any ones opinion (Despite what T2000 might want us to think). Ironically part of the extra costs associated with road building may actually be associated with environmental protection, increased safety and still more probably - inflation. No more is the engineer the commander of a fleet of low flying CAT bulldozers ripping through native ‘brush’ in the name of progress as it was merely 30 or so years ago.
Costs always rise year upon year, it’s the nature of inflation. In fact we have become better and better at building road efficiently for a given supply of raw materials.
If it was really practical and cost effective to build ‘super tram’ systems then they would but it seems even the ordinary rail network cant survive without massive government subsidization and regular bail-outs. Of course there is the other minor issue of trying to load freight onto a tram, I’ve never seen it done before (I don’t suppose tram tracks are made to take massive loads as conventional train tracks are, could be done I suppose at a significantly increased cost).
Good luck to T2000 I say, they are going to need it if they are to fight common sense and fact with nonsense masquerading as statistics. If I was a T2000 supporter I would find this sort of propaganda insulting (Well if I where a T2000 supporter it’s quite possible I would accept the statistics as truth in a zombie like fashion actually), it achieves nothing at all except to spread misinformation.
I’m sure that like many organizations T2000 started off with the right intensions but got sidetracked and hijacked by those with a personal vendetta, rather like the Green Party (Who now appear to be mainly promoting the legalization of plants alien to NZ’s ecosystem! i.e. Marijuana). If organizations don’t change to keep with the times they eventually be replaced, “and so castles made of sand slip into the sea, eventually” - as Jimi Hendrix once famously sang
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- Tom.
Costs always rise year upon year, it’s the nature of inflation. In fact we have become better and better at building road efficiently for a given supply of raw materials.
If it was really practical and cost effective to build ‘super tram’ systems then they would but it seems even the ordinary rail network cant survive without massive government subsidization and regular bail-outs. Of course there is the other minor issue of trying to load freight onto a tram, I’ve never seen it done before (I don’t suppose tram tracks are made to take massive loads as conventional train tracks are, could be done I suppose at a significantly increased cost).
Good luck to T2000 I say, they are going to need it if they are to fight common sense and fact with nonsense masquerading as statistics. If I was a T2000 supporter I would find this sort of propaganda insulting (Well if I where a T2000 supporter it’s quite possible I would accept the statistics as truth in a zombie like fashion actually), it achieves nothing at all except to spread misinformation.
I’m sure that like many organizations T2000 started off with the right intensions but got sidetracked and hijacked by those with a personal vendetta, rather like the Green Party (Who now appear to be mainly promoting the legalization of plants alien to NZ’s ecosystem! i.e. Marijuana). If organizations don’t change to keep with the times they eventually be replaced, “and so castles made of sand slip into the sea, eventually” - as Jimi Hendrix once famously sang
. - Tom.
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