Stamp duty tax has increased eightfold since 1997.
Stamp duty tax has increased eightfold since 1997.
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Jaglover

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46,797 posts

265 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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Stamp duty bleeds the middle classes
By David Derbyshire and Brendan Carlin
(Filed: 02/11/2005)

Home buyers paid a record £5.5 billion in stamp duty last year, prompting new accusations yesterday that the Government is presiding over a "property stealth tax".

Over the past year the amount of stamp duty pouring into the coffers of Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, rose by almost 50 per cent, new figures showed.

Revenue from the tax has increased eightfold since Labour came to power in 1997. Stamp duty on house sales now generates more money for the Chancellor than spirits and beer duty combined and is fast approaching the level raised by tobacco tax.

The figures emerged as council tax payers in England were warned that they could face a £100-a-year increase on their bills unless the Government plugged a £2.2 billion "black hole" in its finances.

Although critics say the Chancellor has presided over an unprecedented number of "stealth" tax rises, few are as unpopular as stamp duty. Over the past few years rising house prices have dragged millions of homes over the threshold for the duty, with London and the South East, where house prices are highest, bearing the brunt.

Caroline Spelman, the Conservative local government spokesman, accused the Government of squeezing home buyers dry.

"Stamp duty is yet another stealth tax," she said. "It is clearly being used to enrich the Treasury at the expense of home owners.

"What they have failed to do is adjust the stamp duty threshold to reflect the huge increase in house prices. For the whole nation, the average stamp duty has gone through the £1,000 barrier, while for London it is around £6,000. This is a tax on London and the South East, and on middle England."

The year before Labour came to power stamp duty on house sales raised £675 million.

At that time 610,000 people paid the tax when buying a house. Inland Revenue figures show that by this year, about 1.2 million home buyers were paying, which generated £5.49 billion for the Treasury.

The stamp duty threshold has failed to stay in line with average house prices, which have risen from £68,000 in 1997 to £170,000.

The lowest threshold was frozen at £60,000 between 1993 and March this year - a period of dramatic house price inflation.

Over the same period, Mr Brown increased stamp duty four times. Although he gave in to pressure and doubled the lowest threshold to £120,000 in March, the higher thresholds remain untouched.

Today, stamp duty is charged at one per cent on homes sold for £120,000 to £250,000, three per cent between £250,000 and £500,000 and four per cent for those above £500,000.

"This is a stealth tax," said Martin Ellis of the Halifax. "Rising prices have dragged a lot of properties into the net and also into the higher rates. This hits first-time buyers particularly.

"The Government doubled the lower threshold, but there aren't many houses in London and the South East that are exempt. We would like to see them linking thresholds to price inflation."

Last year's increase in revenue from stamp duty was fuelled by increases in house prices of 17 per cent in 2003 and 14 per cent in 2004. The number of people buying a home also increased from 1.5 million in 2003-04 to 1.7 million in the last financial year.

London and the South East pay the lion's share, each contributing more than £1 billion to the Treasury. When the number of people living in each region is taken into account, a huge North-South divide emerges. In London, every man, woman and child pays the equivalent of £173 in stamp duty, while in the South-East the figure is £148.

In the North-East, where house prices are lower, people pay the equivalent of £44.

A Treasury spokesman said: "In the Budget the Chancellor doubled the starting threshold from £60,000 to £120,000.

"As a result, half of all first-time buyers and 45 per cent of all house purchases are totally exempt from duty, and five in every six purchases pay either no stamp duty at all or duty at the one per cent level."

The Local Government Association said council tax bills could rise by £100 next year unless ministers filled a £2.2 billion shortfall. This prompted the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister into denouncing the LGA for using "fantasy" figures and "crying wolf" yet again.

But council leaders insisted their figures were correct and said only a last-minute £1 billion injection from Mr Brown in December prevented bills rising by almost 10 per cent

james_j

3,996 posts

285 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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Labour is the high tax party. It always has been.

CupraR

676 posts

259 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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Jaglover said:
A Treasury spokesman said: "In the Budget the Chancellor doubled the starting threshold from £60,000 to £120,000.

"As a result, half of all first-time buyers and 45 per cent of all house purchases are totally exempt from duty, and five in every six purchases pay either no stamp duty at all or duty at the one per cent level."
What a load of shit! £120,000 might buy you a shed in the SE but that's it. The thing I hate about stamp duty is that it's a tax for nothing. Why the hell should I have to give the government anything when I buy a house? What service are they providing in return? The only tax that is more sickening is inheritance tax.

gt

1,407 posts

288 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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6 grand average, I wish.

Alex

9,978 posts

314 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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james_j said:
Labour is the high tax party. It always has been.


And always will be.

apache

39,731 posts

314 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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Don't forget it will soon cost a seller about a grand in future to put together a portfolio of info for prospective buyers

t1grm

4,657 posts

314 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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And how long before capital gains tax is applied to main residence sales?

kneedowndeano

7,414 posts

283 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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i suppose a way around this is to get the vendor to pay the stamp duty. That's what the people that i will be buying the house from has agreed. doesn't feel so bad then. Although i do agree with CupraR that is is basically throwing away a few grand for nothing.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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t1grm said:
And how long before capital gains tax is applied to main residence sales?


Ah yes, remember that came out a while back and there was uproar?

Crafty bastards have, in the furore of the concept, applied it to plots of land.

Self build has got a lot less attractive for many people in light of this.

I dont know the full details and could have got it wrong but its a news item on all the self build websites.

baskey

14,291 posts

256 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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apache said:
Don't forget it will soon cost a seller about a grand in future to put together a portfolio of info for prospective buyers


why? what is this?

dick dastardly

8,326 posts

293 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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t1grm said:
And how long before capital gains tax is applied to main residence sales?


No idea, but the second they do is the same second I start planning my fast track emigration

esselte

14,626 posts

297 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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baskey said:
apache said:
Don't forget it will soon cost a seller about a grand in future to put together a portfolio of info for prospective buyers


why? what is this?


Have a read

DrSeuss

323 posts

291 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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Plus in this year's Budget, Brown quietly abolished stamp duty relief on commercial property in 2,000 of the UK's most deprived areas. Thus making it considerably more expensive for firms to set up business just where the jobs are most needed.

When you think of all the new and increased taxes that New Labour have introduced or are planning to introduce - some of which hit the lowest-earning members of society - it's hard not to conclude that public spending is out of control and they're getting increasingly desperate to hide this fact from us.

baskey

14,291 posts

256 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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esselte said:
baskey said:
apache said:
Don't forget it will soon cost a seller about a grand in future to put together a portfolio of info for prospective buyers


why? what is this?


Have a read


very good - thanks for the link.

sounds fair enough to me - you'd still spend the money you just spend it on the selling side rather than the buying side of the equation. the only dodgy thing i can see is that lenders won't accept it as detailed enough so you'll still need a survey to appease them...

fundamentally it sounds ok to me (unless i am missing summat)..

esselte

14,626 posts

297 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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I suspect most people will end up forking out for 2 surveys..the one for the seller's report and then another for the house you are going to buy 'cos you won't trust the seller's one will you?

baskey

14,291 posts

256 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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esselte said:
I suspect most people will end up forking out for 2 surveys..the one for the seller's report and then another for the house you are going to buy 'cos you won't trust the seller's one will you?


true.

i don't trust them anyway... if the house is standing that'll do! my boss was doing some rewiring in his 1920s house - found that a whole line of bricks was replaced with newspaper...from the 1960s - but the house was still ok.

surveys are a bunch of arse IMO - ours was full of 'oooh it might be dodgy but i couldn't lift up the carpet' and 'i couldn't get into the corner of the loft' etc ad infinitum...

Size Nine Elm

5,167 posts

314 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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kneedowndeano said:
i suppose a way around this is to get the vendor to pay the stamp duty. That's what the people that i will be buying the house from has agreed. doesn't feel so bad then.

If you think that's better then you've been taken in by the spin.

Between the buyer and the seller, the same amount goes to HM Thief Brown. You can package it how you like for your mental convenience, but the buyer and the seller end up coming to a commercial agreement where the buyer pays the money, and that money less the stamp duty goes to the seller. The only difference is whether you put the nominal price at (sale price-stamp duty) or (sale price).

cymtriks

4,561 posts

275 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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baskey said:
esselte said:
baskey said:
apache said:
Don't forget it will soon cost a seller about a grand in future to put together a portfolio of info for prospective buyers


why? what is this?


Have a read


very good - thanks for the link.

sounds fair enough to me - you'd still spend the money you just spend it on the selling side rather than the buying side of the equation. the only dodgy thing i can see is that lenders won't accept it as detailed enough so you'll still need a survey to appease them...

fundamentally it sounds ok to me (unless i am missing summat)..


Sorry. It's barking.

No one will accept this report. Building societies and banks? No way, they'll do their own survey. Buyers? They'll think it's biased so the'll commision their own. Solicitors? they'll still charge you for their own investigations when conveyencing.

More pointless forms to fill in for no gain at all.

esselte

14,626 posts

297 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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cymtriks said:
baskey said:
esselte said:
baskey said:
apache said:
Don't forget it will soon cost a seller about a grand in future to put together a portfolio of info for prospective buyers


why? what is this?


Have a read


very good - thanks for the link.

sounds fair enough to me - you'd still spend the money you just spend it on the selling side rather than the buying side of the equation. the only dodgy thing i can see is that lenders won't accept it as detailed enough so you'll still need a survey to appease them...

fundamentally it sounds ok to me (unless i am missing summat)..


Sorry. It's barking.

No one will accept this report. Building societies and banks? No way, they'll do their own survey. Buyers? They'll think it's biased so the'll commision their own. Solicitors? they'll still charge you for their own investigations when conveyencing.

More pointless forms to fill in for no gain at all.


It gives the government clip board holders something to do.

pdV6

16,442 posts

291 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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Size Nine Elm said:
kneedowndeano said:
i suppose a way around this is to get the vendor to pay the stamp duty. That's what the people that i will be buying the house from has agreed. doesn't feel so bad then.

If you think that's better then you've been taken in by the spin.

Between the buyer and the seller, the same amount goes to HM Thief Brown. You can package it how you like for your mental convenience, but the buyer and the seller end up coming to a commercial agreement where the buyer pays the money, and that money less the stamp duty goes to the seller. The only difference is whether you put the nominal price at (sale price-stamp duty) or (sale price).

Absolutely spot on. A seller willing to "pay" the stamp duty for you has simply factored this cost into the selling price.

Just like buying a new car and trading your old one, a good trade-in price makes you feel good and hopefully not notice that the asking price for the new one was a bit steep!