Flight Testing
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Original Poster:

1,423 posts

293 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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Im doing a research project on flight testing techniques. Is anyone involved or interested in flight testing? Can you recommend any good books?

I'm just getting started on the project and it would be great if anyone could point me in the right direction before I end up trawling through the library.

p.s. anyone good at Matlab? How would you recommend going about learning it?

dieseljohn

2,114 posts

286 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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I'm reasonably handy with matlab.

If you have a little programming experience then the help files are quite helpful! As well as the stuff from the pull down menu you can type 'help plot' or whatever to get a text only explanation.

What do you want to do?

Ps You're a student you're supposed to trawl through the library.

>> Edited by dieseljohn on Wednesday 26th October 15:32

Extra 300 Driver

5,282 posts

276 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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From what side? Engineer or Pilot?

Extra 300 Driver

5,282 posts

276 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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I can vouch for these guys, first hand;


Empire Test Pilots School

Metlab stuff

>> Edited by Extra 300 Driver on Wednesday 26th October 15:38

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Original Poster:

1,423 posts

293 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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dieseljohn said:
I'm reasonably handy with matlab.

If you have a little programming experience then the help files are quite helpful! As well as the stuff from the pull down menu you can type 'help plot' or whatever to get a text only explanation.

What do you want to do?

Ps You're a student you're supposed to trawl through the library.



I'm going to be processing flight test data from an autogyro and presenting it. I'm confident that it shouldn't be too difficult as I have programming experience with Pascal and VB and from what I know Matlab seems a bit more user friendly.

So you reckon the help files are comprehensive enough?

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Wednesday 26th October 2005
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Extra 300 Driver said:
From what side? Engineer or Pilot?


Extra 300 Driver said:
I can vouch for these guys, first hand;


www.qinetiq.com/home_etps.html


Thanks for that.

Mostly from an engineers point of view but I also want to write about the role of the test pilot.

Firstly I'm going to write a technical essay on flight testing techniques and discuss equipment used, personnel, differences between rotary and fixed wing etc. There will be a special mention for Autogyros. Then I'm going to develop a program for processing the flight test data.

Extra 300 Driver

5,282 posts

276 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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Give ETPS a call, I am sure thay will have courses on that sort of thing, also Cranfield?

dieseljohn

2,114 posts

286 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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dieseljohn said:
I'm reasonably handy with matlab.

If you have a little programming experience then the help files are quite helpful! As well as the stuff from the pull down menu you can type 'help plot' or whatever to get a text only explanation.

What do you want to do?

Ps You're a student you're supposed to trawl through the library.




I'm going to be processing flight test data from an autogyro and presenting it. I'm confident that it shouldn't be too difficult as I have programming experience with Pascal and VB and from what I know Matlab seems a bit more user friendly.

So you reckon the help files are comprehensive enough?


Yeah deffinately, Matlab can generate just about any type of graph under the sun. It's very simple to program as well.

Raffles

1,931 posts

260 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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What uni are you at?

My brother's at Strathclyde doing Aeromechanical Engineering...

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Original Poster:

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Wednesday 26th October 2005
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Raffles said:
What uni are you at?

My brother's at Strathclyde doing Aeromechanical Engineering...


I'm at Glasgow uni.

eccles

14,390 posts

252 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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we do a fair bit of flight testing in work, mostly on military aircraft, but some civil as well.
some of it is relatively simple stuff like making sure a new system doesn't interfere with other systems, right through to major aerodynamic testing of major mods.
deppending on the mods we do,we normally get the aircraft to a state where most of the bugs are ironed out and its reliable, then it goes off to ETPS for even more testing. whilst its there if the mods have affected the flight performance/envelope, they write new pilots notes giving the new performance data and limitations.
sometimes we have to follow a customers pre-arranged flight test program, or if its an inhouse designed mod, then the program is written by our own engineers.

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Wednesday 26th October 2005
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eccles said:
we do a fair bit of flight testing in work, mostly on military aircraft, but some civil as well.
some of it is relatively simple stuff like making sure a new system doesn't interfere with other systems, right through to major aerodynamic testing of major mods.
deppending on the mods we do,we normally get the aircraft to a state where most of the bugs are ironed out and its reliable, then it goes off to ETPS for even more testing. whilst its there if the mods have affected the flight performance/envelope, they write new pilots notes giving the new performance data and limitations.
sometimes we have to follow a customers pre-arranged flight test program, or if its an inhouse designed mod, then the program is written by our own engineers.


Interesting, thanks.

Can you recommend a book on flight testing techniques? I have just been to the uni library and I didn't find anything useful. I'll give ESDU a try tomorrow.

eccles

14,390 posts

252 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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i would have thought that any flight testing is dependant on what's been done to the aircraft.
for instance, the new airbus A380 has to go through full flight testing of all its systems and operating parameters, where as if you are modifying an existing aircraft, you may only have to test the bits that are modified, or are affected by the modification.
i'm sure there must be a basic flight testers manual out there....perhaps its worth trying google.

Eric Mc

125,724 posts

295 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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The book "Test Pilot" which was produced in the late 80s to coincide with the BBC TV series on the ETPS at Boscombe Down might be worth a read.

Trooper2

6,676 posts

261 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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Eric Mc said:
The book "Test Pilot" which was produced in the late 80s to coincide with the BBC TV series on the ETPS at Boscombe Down might be worth a read.


I saw the documentary it was very good indeed!

speedtwelve

3,546 posts

303 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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Suggest you also try the Flight Test forum on PPRUNE. There are several TPs and flight test engineers on there (John Farley included).

Agree also that you could do worse than get in touch with Boscombe.

ST

MarkK

667 posts

309 months

Thursday 27th October 2005
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Eric Mc said:
The book "Test Pilot" which was produced in the late 80s to coincide with the BBC TV series on the ETPS at Boscombe Down might be worth a read.


I have this book if you wish to borrow it - very good read.

thebluemonkey

1,296 posts

270 months

Thursday 27th October 2005
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Donald Balance in the James Watt Building might be someone to talk about this, Matlab and control systems are his specialities and he is very approachable. Can't remember what floor he is on but it's the one above the computer floor and the first main corridor on the right ( not the Sun computing lab).

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293 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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Eric Mc said:
The book "Test Pilot" which was produced in the late 80s to coincide with the BBC TV series on the ETPS at Boscombe Down might be worth a read.


Is this the one?

Eric Mc

125,724 posts

295 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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Yes, that's it. Definitely by Brian Johnson.