Teachers given 'discipline' backing
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A step in the right direction?
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Teachers will be given the clear legal right to discipline unruly pupils and restrain them through the use of "reasonable force", ministers have announced.
Education Secretary Ruth Kelly backed recommendations from the Government's school discipline taskforce for new measures to force parents to take responsibility for their children's behaviour.
Union leaders welcomed the new legal rights, which they said would stop pupils disrupting lessons and then telling teachers "You can't do anything to me, Miss."
The plans include a new law setting out teachers' "clear and unambiguous right" to discipline pupils and restrain them through reasonable force, a national charter of rights and responsibilities for teachers, pupils and parents and a new offence of "allowing a child to be found in a public place during school hours without good cause" to be introduced to make sure parents keep track of their children when they are excluded from school.
Possible fixed fines for parents who are guilty of this new offence and wider use of parenting contracts to be imposed before a child is thrown out of school are also contained within the proposals.
Ms Kelly welcomed the report and promised to implement the key recommendations "as soon as possible". Some of the reforms are expected to be contained in a White Paper later this month.
"The Government has made tackling poor behaviour a major priority, providing increased powers and resources. But some schools still face real discipline challenges because there is too little consistency in dealing with poor behaviour.
"There is still too much low-level disruption to lessons - backchat, rudeness, calling out in class - that makes teaching and learning more difficult. These proposals can help bring change not just to the rules but to the culture, reaffirming respect in classrooms and putting teachers firmly in charge.
"They are the right balance between sanctions and support, and strongly in favour of the rule-abiding and responsible majority. But it is not simply about legislating and poor behaviour will disappear from the classroom.
"Heads and teachers must use these new powers with the backing of parents - only then can we make good behaviour the norm in every classroom," she said.
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[quote=ananova][b][big]Teachers given 'discipline' backing
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Teachers will be given the clear legal right to discipline unruly pupils and restrain them through the use of "reasonable force", ministers have announced.
Education Secretary Ruth Kelly backed recommendations from the Government's school discipline taskforce for new measures to force parents to take responsibility for their children's behaviour.
Union leaders welcomed the new legal rights, which they said would stop pupils disrupting lessons and then telling teachers "You can't do anything to me, Miss."
The plans include a new law setting out teachers' "clear and unambiguous right" to discipline pupils and restrain them through reasonable force, a national charter of rights and responsibilities for teachers, pupils and parents and a new offence of "allowing a child to be found in a public place during school hours without good cause" to be introduced to make sure parents keep track of their children when they are excluded from school.
Possible fixed fines for parents who are guilty of this new offence and wider use of parenting contracts to be imposed before a child is thrown out of school are also contained within the proposals.
Ms Kelly welcomed the report and promised to implement the key recommendations "as soon as possible". Some of the reforms are expected to be contained in a White Paper later this month.
"The Government has made tackling poor behaviour a major priority, providing increased powers and resources. But some schools still face real discipline challenges because there is too little consistency in dealing with poor behaviour.
"There is still too much low-level disruption to lessons - backchat, rudeness, calling out in class - that makes teaching and learning more difficult. These proposals can help bring change not just to the rules but to the culture, reaffirming respect in classrooms and putting teachers firmly in charge.
"They are the right balance between sanctions and support, and strongly in favour of the rule-abiding and responsible majority. But it is not simply about legislating and poor behaviour will disappear from the classroom.
"Heads and teachers must use these new powers with the backing of parents - only then can we make good behaviour the norm in every classroom," she said.
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Something needs to be done, especially when you hear stories like this 
ananova said:
Girl eager to return after slashing
A 12-year-old girl who had to have 30-stitches in her face when she was attacked by a classmate has said she was happy to be home from hospital and wants to return to the school where it happened.
Shanni Naylor spent three days in hospital after she was slashed across the face by another 12-year-old girl at Myrtle Springs School, in Sheffield with what is believed to be a blade from a pencil sharpener.
Speaking at her grandmother's home in the Arbourthorne area of the city, Shanni described how she had problems with her attacker before the incident on Wednesday.
She said: "I had just got up to talk to Miss Doyle (the teacher) and she just attacked me. I think it was with a blade. I'd had a fight with her before and it drew some blood."
Shanni said she was "shocked" when she first saw the long cuts which were clearly visible down her face. Both the long scars are close to her eyes, with one stopping just below her eyebrow and starting again underneath her left eyelid.
The 30-stitches which were put in at Sheffield Children's Hospital could also be clearly seen across her face.
"The doctors just told me to take it easy and to be careful," said Shanni. "They said I might have to have plastic surgery."
The 12-year-old managed a broad smile as she described how glad she was to be back with her family.
Asked what she planned to do for the next few days she said: "Talking to reporters and watching TV, that's all."
And asked about going back to the school where it happened she said: "I just hope it gets better. I've got a lot of friends there."
Kids these days, they're right little shits alot of them. Problem is they think they're adults with adult rights.....but of course they're spared adult responsibilties and sanctions.
Hence the "you can't do that to me" response when my Mrs gave a detention the other day.......really not a good idea to answer back to her, I know.
ps, to avoid any confusion, she wasn't giving me the detention.
Hence the "you can't do that to me" response when my Mrs gave a detention the other day.......really not a good idea to answer back to her, I know.
ps, to avoid any confusion, she wasn't giving me the detention.
Classroom discipline is made difficult by management that prevent you from excluding pupils who are disruptive from class. I think that using physical means as a way of dealing with situations is a bad idea for obvious reasons. I find the most effective way of bringing unruly students in line is to point out how immature they are and how their behaviour is ruining the educational experience of those who are there to learn.
It is incredibly frustrating though when you get persistent problems. I have a lad in my class who is a bit of an old woman when it comes to whinging. One of the girls hit him a couple of weeks ago. Next time she does that I'll have to ask her to hit him harder
It is incredibly frustrating though when you get persistent problems. I have a lad in my class who is a bit of an old woman when it comes to whinging. One of the girls hit him a couple of weeks ago. Next time she does that I'll have to ask her to hit him harder
About time too...
A couple of kids have recently been withdrawn from my daughters school because the teacher shouted at them. Yup, you read that right, because he shouted at them. Now if the teacher shouts at my kids, they'll be shouted at again when they get home for getting shouted at in the first place. Should you use the word shout that much in one paragraph?
It's about time kids knew their place again
A couple of kids have recently been withdrawn from my daughters school because the teacher shouted at them. Yup, you read that right, because he shouted at them. Now if the teacher shouts at my kids, they'll be shouted at again when they get home for getting shouted at in the first place. Should you use the word shout that much in one paragraph?
It's about time kids knew their place again
Has anyone seen this story ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4361724.stm
Absolutely disgusting.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4361724.stm
Absolutely disgusting.
BliarOut said:
About time too...
A couple of kids have recently been withdrawn from my daughters school because the teacher shouted at them. Yup, you read that right, because he shouted at them. Now if the teacher shouts at my kids, they'll be shouted at again when they get home for getting shouted at in the first place. Should you use the word shout that much in one paragraph?
It's about time kids knew their place again
Nail on the head I think. Without direct parental support there's not much teachers can do.
The attitude of alot of parents is disgraceful.
ananova said:
Teachers will be given the clear legal right to discipline unruly pupils and restrain them through the use of "reasonable force", ministers have announced.
Reasonable force at my school was, in order of pain
hair pulling
ruler (across hand)
slipper (to ass)
Charlie (1m rule carried by Headmaster) actually this was more threat as I cant remember him ever using it.
Cane (to ass)
cotty said:
Teachers will be given the clear legal right to discipline unruly pupils and restrain them through the use of "reasonable force", ministers have announced.
Reasonable force at my school was, in order of pain
hair pulling
ruler (across hand)
slipper (to ass)
Charlie (1m rule carried by Headmaster) actually this was more threat as I cant remember him ever using it.
Cane (to ass)
Forgot about being hit with chalk or board rubbers (not made of rubber) for talking in class
timmy30 said:
About time too...
A couple of kids have recently been withdrawn from my daughters school because the teacher shouted at them. Yup, you read that right, because he shouted at them. Now if the teacher shouts at my kids, they'll be shouted at again when they get home for getting shouted at in the first place. Should you use the word shout that much in one paragraph?
It's about time kids knew their place again
Nail on the head I think. Without direct parental support there's not much teachers can do.
The attitude of alot of parents is disgraceful.
Prof Beard
I blame the loony lot for removing the discipline in the first place!
Its the wonderful blame culture we live in. As already put before kids want to be treated as adults.
I recon it all started when the nit nurse was withdrawn as it 'infringed the childs human rights'.
Let us wait for 6 months and see if anything has been done? What do you recon.
Tough on crime, tough on the ..... Remember that one?
All B
t.
Its the wonderful blame culture we live in. As already put before kids want to be treated as adults.
I recon it all started when the nit nurse was withdrawn as it 'infringed the childs human rights'.
Let us wait for 6 months and see if anything has been done? What do you recon.
Tough on crime, tough on the ..... Remember that one?
All B
t. 
EmmaP said:
Classroom discipline is made difficult by management that prevent you from excluding pupils who are disruptive from class. I think that using physical means as a way of dealing with situations is a bad idea for obvious reasons. I find the most effective way of bringing unruly students in line is to point out how immature they are and how their behaviour is ruining the educational experience of those who are there to learn.
Judging by the sort of immature TV they watch
some kid said:
BOTHERED
cotty said:
I think that using physical means as a way of dealing with situations is a bad idea for obvious reasons.
Oh I dont know, having a wooden board rubber fly past your face and slam into the wall behind you tends to shut most people up
Pah, our teacher NEVER missed
We had one who used a straight finger jab to the solar plexus if you got a bit carried away with your own importance. That always did the trick 
I blame the junk food. Seriously! One of my colleagues last year used to open the doors onto the playing field and tell them to all go outside and get it out of their system. "Sod the risk assessment," he said They used to be out there doing back-flips and the like for about five minutes
(I only teach two and a quarter hours a week - thank God! One lesson is 'Professional Practice'. Ah! The irony!)
They used to be out there doing back-flips and the like for about five minutes (I only teach two and a quarter hours a week - thank God! One lesson is 'Professional Practice'. Ah! The irony!)
cotty said:
ananova said:
Teachers will be given the clear legal right to discipline unruly pupils and restrain them through the use of "reasonable force", ministers have announced.
Reasonable force at my school was, in order of pain
hair pulling
ruler (across hand)
slipper (to ass)
Charlie (1m rule carried by Headmaster) actually this was more threat as I cant remember him ever using it.
Cane (to ass)
Death by "Glock"....there truly is no other way with some of these kids (and their parents)!
>> Edited by anniesdad on Friday 21st October 15:55
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