Cyber sabotage of French supermarche fridges
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Another example of the ‘benefits’ of our increasingly connected world…
Fridges in French supermarkets hit by cyber attack https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crq5nzxv9q4yo
Fridges in French supermarkets hit by cyber attack https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crq5nzxv9q4yo
Being in tech my whole career but having grown up when the world was still mostly analog (millennial life), I'm firmly in the boat of wondering why we need this stuff, and does it add any real value?
This is mostly just funny and typical of these things. No one's spending loads developing software for a fridge to be robust.
Thought occurs as to why a fridge/freezer has the ability to be set to + 50C though, regardless of remote access security flaws.
This is mostly just funny and typical of these things. No one's spending loads developing software for a fridge to be robust.
Thought occurs as to why a fridge/freezer has the ability to be set to + 50C though, regardless of remote access security flaws.
Quite a few UK supermarket freezers struggled and failed this year
Mrs P was told it was mainly due to the high temp of the summer we've had but could it be due something like this me wonders
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77yejxnvpxo
Thinking about it, how come fridges/freezers work fine in higher temp locations like France, Spain, Greece etc but ours fail
Tin foil at the ready
Mrs P was told it was mainly due to the high temp of the summer we've had but could it be due something like this me wonders
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77yejxnvpxo
Thinking about it, how come fridges/freezers work fine in higher temp locations like France, Spain, Greece etc but ours fail
Tin foil at the ready
Edited by Patio on Monday 12th October 16:46
Patio said:
Quite a few UK supermarket freezers struggled and failed this year
Mrs P was told it was mainly due to the high temp of the summer we've had but could it be due something like this me wonders
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77yejxnvpxo
Thinking about it, how come fridges/freezers work fine in higher temp locations like France, Spain, Greece etc but ours fail
Tin foil at the ready
Different climate classes:Mrs P was told it was mainly due to the high temp of the summer we've had but could it be due something like this me wonders
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77yejxnvpxo
Thinking about it, how come fridges/freezers work fine in higher temp locations like France, Spain, Greece etc but ours fail
Tin foil at the ready
Edited by Patio on Monday 12th October 16:46
SN: Subnormal units can operate between +10°C and +32°C.
N: Normal units can operate between +16°C and +32°C.
ST: Subtropical units can operate between +16°C and +38°C.
T: Tropical units can operate between +16°C and +43°C.
drdino said:
Different climate classes:
SN: Subnormal units can operate between +10°C and +32°C.
N: Normal units can operate between +16°C and +32°C.
ST: Subtropical units can operate between +16°C and +38°C.
T: Tropical units can operate between +16°C and +43°C.
That's interesting, thank you for explaining.SN: Subnormal units can operate between +10°C and +32°C.
N: Normal units can operate between +16°C and +32°C.
ST: Subtropical units can operate between +16°C and +38°C.
T: Tropical units can operate between +16°C and +43°C.
TikTak said:
Thought occurs as to why a fridge/freezer has the ability to be set to + 50C though, regardless of remote access security flaws.
They don't, but some commercial freezers have a defrost function that uses electric heating elements. If a hacker shuts down the motor and leaves the heating elements on it's going to get very warm, and possibly catch fire.Peterpetrole said:
There is one with a coffee machine uploading similar looks like it was hacked and added to a botnet! Remote monitoring of devices/machines can provide significant savings in maintenance cost, the more complicated the device, the more the savings.
But, they need to be secure. This is not trivial task and something that needs effort and continued upkeep. The good thing nowadays is there are lots of scanners that seek out vulnerabilities in exposed interfaces so you can assess your risks. Certificates are dropping to a 47 (or less) day lifetime to help make it more difficult to compromise.
You do need to look at your architecture too - this article ( https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kil... ) is a decade (!) old and one would hope we're all more savvy now. Why should a remote connection be able to control any of the car's systems ? especially when the vehicle is moving (thus being driven) and those systems are safety critical ? Design your systems with security in mind - zero trust and all that stuff. You'd hope that Jeep (and others) learnt their lesson and have made their products secure.
I read the headline as "French refrigeration company fails to adequately protect their systems". Bit harsh, but you can't be complacent on it.
But, they need to be secure. This is not trivial task and something that needs effort and continued upkeep. The good thing nowadays is there are lots of scanners that seek out vulnerabilities in exposed interfaces so you can assess your risks. Certificates are dropping to a 47 (or less) day lifetime to help make it more difficult to compromise.
You do need to look at your architecture too - this article ( https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kil... ) is a decade (!) old and one would hope we're all more savvy now. Why should a remote connection be able to control any of the car's systems ? especially when the vehicle is moving (thus being driven) and those systems are safety critical ? Design your systems with security in mind - zero trust and all that stuff. You'd hope that Jeep (and others) learnt their lesson and have made their products secure.
I read the headline as "French refrigeration company fails to adequately protect their systems". Bit harsh, but you can't be complacent on it.
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