New Gas cooker install
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Neighbour is having a new AEG gas/Hob cooker installed .
She paying for The gas engineer to disconnect old unit and install new cooker So the gas side will be compliant.
However there will have to be modifications to the work tops cupboard new cooker is a standard 600 x 600 x 900 Height,
Looking at her present electric connections they look very DIY
The existing double socket is inside the cabinet its adjacent to the cooker , doesn't look right to me not sure where the two feeds are going possibly spurred from the wall socket , doesn't appear to be a fused spur ?
looks like the 13 amp lug is connected to the oven for ignition/ clock . second plug connected to overhead extractor hood.
also the hot zone above the hob , that electrical switch looks a bit close
thoughts thanks
She paying for The gas engineer to disconnect old unit and install new cooker So the gas side will be compliant.
However there will have to be modifications to the work tops cupboard new cooker is a standard 600 x 600 x 900 Height,
Looking at her present electric connections they look very DIY
The existing double socket is inside the cabinet its adjacent to the cooker , doesn't look right to me not sure where the two feeds are going possibly spurred from the wall socket , doesn't appear to be a fused spur ?
looks like the 13 amp lug is connected to the oven for ignition/ clock . second plug connected to overhead extractor hood.
also the hot zone above the hob , that electrical switch looks a bit close
thoughts thanks
Edited by Purosangue on Friday 9th October 11:37
v8notbrave said:
Looks like the oven is electric only hob gas, you've answered it yourself, very amateur and probably overloading the socket which as you say could get warm
Get a good amateur in or a professional, this not acceptable
Its Gas oven with separate Gas Hob , Get a good amateur in or a professional, this not acceptable
Ive just looked at the plug to the left of the existing cooker its in the Hot zone as is the extractor , Ive advised her that the electrics would have to be sorted before the cooker is changed
v8notbrave said:
3kw sticker = electric oven
Get a professional
The thing is it was installed by a professional ? ....Curry's installer Get a professional
Where did you see the sticker , ? ,The orange one says 1,2KW ? she's had two gas ovens installed , the last one was installed by currys 8 years ago .. It might not relate to the existing oven , Its a New world , who made both electric / Gas ovens ?
Owner confirmed both gas
The whole kitchen is a bodge , when i mentioned no gas installer would install until the electrics and hot zone is compliant , she said she would probably leave it .
I said the position of the double socket and Extractor hood are already in the hot zone , and should be relocated. not to mention the wiring should be installed into the wall with no visible cables. , at the very least invalidating house insurance .
will see how she wants to proceed
Edited by Purosangue on Friday 9th October 12:49
Its a catch 22
The Gas installer wont touch the electrics / modify the cabinet
The electrician wont modify the cabinets .
I can easily modify the cabinet , but im not touching the gas or electrics , If she wants to go Gas oven combined Hob , then an electrician will have to remove the wall socket and under cabinet electrics , rewire and install sockets to building regs.
If she goes for an electric oven / hob then really it should go on a dedicated 25 Amp circuit , either way an electrician would be first call .
Edited by Purosangue on Friday 9th October 13:06
Purosangue said:
The thing is it was installed by a professional ? ....Curry's installer
Where did you see the sticker , ? ,The orange one says 1,2KW ? she's had two gas ovens installe.....06[/footnote]
It say kWh.Where did you see the sticker , ? ,The orange one says 1,2KW ? she's had two gas ovens installe.....06[/footnote]
The difference matters!
So if it's 3kW, it will run the element for some fraction of an hour to heat the oven to temperature.
OutInTheShed said:
Purosangue said:
The thing is it was installed by a professional ? ....Curry's installer
Where did you see the sticker , ? ,The orange one says 1,2KW ? she's had two gas ovens installe.....06[/footnote]
It say kWh.Where did you see the sticker , ? ,The orange one says 1,2KW ? she's had two gas ovens installe.....06[/footnote]
The difference matters!
So if it's 3kW, it will run the element for some fraction of an hour to heat the oven to temperature.
the 13 amp plug controls the cooker light ... and thats the only electrical connection , in all other respects its a Gas oven
OutInTheShed said:
Purosangue said:
The thing is it was installed by a professional ? ....Curry's installer
Where did you see the sticker , ? ,The orange one says 1,2KW ? she's had two gas ovens installe.....06[/footnote]
It say kWh.Where did you see the sticker , ? ,The orange one says 1,2KW ? she's had two gas ovens installe.....06[/footnote]
The difference matters!
So if it's 3kW, it will run the element for some fraction of an hour to heat the oven to temperature.
Purosangue said:
where does the number 3 Kw come from ? the label on the cupboard mentions 1.2KW not 3KW ,,,, it may not be related to the existing cooker its just a label in the cabinet !
the 13 amp plug controls the cooker light ... and thats the only electrical connection , in all other respects its a Gas oven
I would ignore them.... Gas appliances are also rated in KW.the 13 amp plug controls the cooker light ... and thats the only electrical connection , in all other respects its a Gas oven
Anyway back ontopic... Highly unlikely a currys installer will cut the worktop.
Black_S3 said:
... Gas appliances are also rated in KW.
.
And their energy use is still quoted in kWh..
That energy sticker is telling you that the oven, whatever oven it actually applies to, uses so much energy for certain use cycles.
OP needs some kind of kitchen fitter to modify the cabinets it seems?
Changing from inset hob and built-in oven, to a 'cooker'.
It would be much cheaper to replace like for like, hob and separate oven.
Or, you need a handyman to modify the furniture so the new appliance will slot straight in and the bloke from Curry's can just connect it up.
OutInTheShed said:
And their energy use is still quoted in kWh.
That energy sticker is telling you that the oven, whatever oven it actually applies to, uses so much energy for certain use cycles.
OP needs some kind of kitchen fitter to modify the cabinets it seems?
Changing from inset hob and built-in oven, to a 'cooker'.
It would be much cheaper to replace like for like, hob and separate oven.
Or, you need a handyman to modify the furniture so the new appliance will slot straight in and the bloke from Curry's can just connect it up.
Just a decent plumber with their gas inc cooker tickets should be able to do the lot with the exception of maybe getting someone back to edge the laminate top after its been cut.That energy sticker is telling you that the oven, whatever oven it actually applies to, uses so much energy for certain use cycles.
OP needs some kind of kitchen fitter to modify the cabinets it seems?
Changing from inset hob and built-in oven, to a 'cooker'.
It would be much cheaper to replace like for like, hob and separate oven.
Or, you need a handyman to modify the furniture so the new appliance will slot straight in and the bloke from Curry's can just connect it up.
It does seem like a load of hassle instead of just ordering what fits especially as the all in ones have a bit of a council vibe.
Black_S3 said:
OutInTheShed said:
And their energy use is still quoted in kWh.
That energy sticker is telling you that the oven, whatever oven it actually applies to, uses so much energy for certain use cycles.
OP needs some kind of kitchen fitter to modify the cabinets it seems?
Changing from inset hob and built-in oven, to a 'cooker'.
It would be much cheaper to replace like for like, hob and separate oven.
Or, you need a handyman to modify the furniture so the new appliance will slot straight in and the bloke from Curry's can just connect it up.
Just a decent plumber with their gas inc cooker tickets should be able to do the lot with the exception of maybe getting someone back to edge the laminate top after its been cut.That energy sticker is telling you that the oven, whatever oven it actually applies to, uses so much energy for certain use cycles.
OP needs some kind of kitchen fitter to modify the cabinets it seems?
Changing from inset hob and built-in oven, to a 'cooker'.
It would be much cheaper to replace like for like, hob and separate oven.
Or, you need a handyman to modify the furniture so the new appliance will slot straight in and the bloke from Curry's can just connect it up.
It does seem like a load of hassle instead of just ordering what fits especially as the all in ones have a bit of a council vibe.
like this
shes going to get an electrician in to sort out the electrics , ill cut the cabinet then the Gas installer can disconnect and make the gas connection.
easier if she went Electric
No issues with the cabinet cutting the countertop and edging with laminate , I can do all that .
just dont want to mess with her electrics or gas
Kitchen i installed myself
cheers
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 10th October 08:59
Fair enough… If it makes life easier it looks like you can remove the oven yourself before the gas man comes to remove the hob- there’s a cooker hose visible in one of the pics that will be onto a self sealing bayonet… Anyone is allowed to disconnect these hoses from the bayonet with the caveat that it’s not left permanently disconnected relying only on the bayonet seal.
Black_S3 said:
Fair enough If it makes life easier it looks like you can remove the oven yourself before the gas man comes to remove the hob- there s a cooker hose visible in one of the pics that will be onto a self sealing bayonet Anyone is allowed to disconnect these hoses from the bayonet with the caveat that it s not left permanently disconnected relying only on the bayonet seal.
many thanks 
E-bmw said:
Purosangue said:
The hob shouldn't be right next to the tall unit with the oven in.i also installed thermal protection around the bottom sides , for the under storage slide out cupboards
and the upright unit next to the oven is not a fridge its a larder
The wife kept changing the lay out , So the original Fridge which was there was replaced with two separate American Fridge / Freezers on the other side of the kitchen ..........which meant removing the wall separating the utility room and making one larger kitchen . but that's another story . On the plus side the kitchen is much bigger .
some of my dodgy electrics ..converting a two gang socket with co axial to a three gang socket
Edited by Purosangue on Saturday 10th October 10:12
Black_S3 said:
... especially as the all in ones have a bit of a council vibe.
Oi! 
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