Now walking makes you a terrorist suspect...
Now walking makes you a terrorist suspect...
Author
Discussion

Mon Ami Mate

Original Poster:

6,589 posts

298 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
Anybody remember the Constable Savage sketch from Not the Nine o' Clock News?

Two wheels: good. Two legs: terrorist suspect
By David Lister, Scotland Correspondent

WITH her year-round tan, long blonde hair and designer clothes, Sally Cameron does not look like a threat to national security.
But the 34-year-old property developer has joined the ranks of Britain’s most unlikely terrorist suspects after being held for hours for trespassing on a cycle path.

Ms Cameron was being hailed yesterday as Scotland’s answer to Walter Wolfgang, the 82-year-old heckler manhandled out of the Labour Party conference last month. She was arrested under the Terrorism Act for walking along a cycle path in the harbour area of Dundee.

Yesterday, after receiving a letter from the Tayside procurator fiscal’s office informing her that she would not be prosecuted, Ms Cameron said: “It is utterly ridiculous that such an inoffensive person as myself should be subject to such heavy-handed treatment.”

She was walking from her office in Dundee to her home in the suburb of Broughty Ferry when she was arrested under new anti-terrorist legislation and held for four hours.

She said: “I’ve been walking to work every morning for months and months to keep fit. One day, I was told by a guard on the gate that I couldn’t use the route any more because it was solely a cycle path and he said, if I was caught doing it again, I’d be arrested.

“The next thing I knew, the harbour master had driven up behind me with a megaphone, saying, ‘You’re trespassing, please turn back’. It was totally ridiculous. I started laughing and kept on walking. Cyclists going past were also laughing.

“But then two police cars roared up beside me and cut me off, like a scene from Starsky and Hutch, and officers told me I was being arrested under the Terrorism Act. The harbour master was waffling on and (saying that), because of September 11, I would be arrested and charged.”

Ms Cameron, who said that at one stage one of the officers asked her to stop laughing, described the incident as “like a scene from the movie Erin Brockovich, with all the dock workers cheering me and telling me to give them hell”. She said: “I was told that the cycle path was for cyclists only, as if walkers and not cyclists were the only ones likely to plant bombs. There are no signs anywhere saying there are to be no pedestrians.

“They took me to the police station and held me for several hours before charging me and releasing me.”

She said that she was particularly galled by the letter from the procurator fiscal’s office, which said that she would not be prosecuted even though “the evidence is sufficient to justify bringing you before the court on this criminal charge”.

Keith Berry, the harbour master at Forth Ports Dundee, said yesterday that Ms Cameron had been seen as a “security risk”. Speaking about the incident, which took place in May, he said: “We contacted the police in regards to this matter because the woman was in a secure area which forbids people walking. It was seen as a security risk. We were following guidelines in requirement with the port security plan set up by the Government.”

A spokesman for Forth Ports said: “We will robustly prosecute anyone who breaches these new security measures because they have been introduced by the Government and we are obliged to enforce them.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,170-1829289,00.html

eccles

14,387 posts

252 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
cant see whats wrong with that, fair enough.

BliarOut

72,863 posts

269 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
eccles said:
cant see whats wrong with that, fair enough.

Raify

6,556 posts

278 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
"Ms Cameron, who said that at one stage one of the officers asked her to stop laughing"

I don't blame her! This is the funniest thing I've read in ages. All we need is a few more insane Jobsworths to show what this anti-terrrr' legislation could take us. Patriot act here we come!

silversun

4,373 posts

256 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
So now do people still feel that terrorist suspects should be held indefinitely?

timmy30

9,325 posts

257 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
Hmmmm so anybody out there willing to argue the case that police need even more powers than they already have BUT that they can be trusted only to use them in extreme circumstances where they suspect a genuine threat to national security?

r988

7,496 posts

259 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
fairly blatant misuse of power really, did they really need all those people wasting their time for that?

Surely the police must get sick of looking stupid?

Code Monkey

3,318 posts

287 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
what it needs now is for a mass demo to be held all calm relaxed and peaceful but with as many people as possible walking along the cycle path. get a nice few cameras there, Sun newspaper or similiar would love to support something like this i am sure.

esselte

14,626 posts

297 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
Why was she more of a threat walking than she would have been on a cycle? What a joke.

james_j

3,996 posts

285 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
"Excessive" laws will always be exploited by fools who have the power.

john_p

7,073 posts

280 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
I expect to see many more of these cases as the police learn to abuse the Terrorism Act more and more

TeamD

5,060 posts

262 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
It does warrant the question, "What sort of person are we employing in these roles now? Are they so devoid of intelligence will that they are incapable of questioning the stupidity of their own actions and the dictates of their managers?"

Would you not ask? I certainly would. I would require clarification, for instance...

It that just bicycles or are tricycles permitted?
Is it just people on foot that are to be challenged or anyone not on wheels? eg. Skaters, scooter riders, skateboarders. Have studies beeen conducted to "prove" that terrorists can't ride bicycles? Are we allowed to arrest people for dismounting to replace their chains upon their sprockets or to repair a puncture? Define cyclist, is it merely someone riding such a means of conveyance or do they only have to have one in their posession at the time? ie. Walking whilst pushing their bicycle. Do they really think that the possiblility of having their bike nicked is a suitable deterent for would-be terrorists?

WTF, the world's gone mad.

To add, so let me get this right...

It's now a crime to walk on a cycle path, but where established law dictates that it is a crime to cycle upon a footpath you choose to turn a blind eye? In the words of Littlejohn, "You couldn't make it up!"


>> Edited by TeamD on Monday 17th October 11:44

_VTEC_

2,459 posts

275 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
They must have been really really bored.

timmy30

9,325 posts

257 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
I think the important point is that many police see themselves as 'the law' in a Judge Dredd kind of way, and resent the idea that judges, lawyers etc might prevent them from doing exactly what they want.

What they have always wanted is to be able to arrest people that they don't like the look of, who answer back to them, or who they just think have committed and offense ( but have no evidence ), or frankly people who have annoyed them in some way.

That is what these new powers have given them on a plate. It's no suprise they have immediately begun using these powers at will.

CupraR

676 posts

259 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
This makes perfect sense. They don't have bicycles in the desert, so obviously a cycle path will foil any would be bombers.

tomtom

4,265 posts

260 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
A mate of mine was detained under the terrorism act for cycling past an RAF memorial site with a folding chair on his back. Apparently the folding chair 'may have been a rocket launcher'.

eccles

14,387 posts

252 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
just seen her interviewed on the C4 lunch time news, and it seems its a load of hype over nothing!
she wasn't held "for several hours"....just 2 , and she wasn't charged under the terrorism act, but a ports act. the police didn't mention the terrorism act, and the harbour master just mentioned 9/11, not the the terrorism act.
so it just seems the press are making a story out of nothing again!

>> Edited by eccles on Monday 17th October 12:26

r988

7,496 posts

259 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
eccles said:
just seen her interviewed on the C4 lunch time news, and it seems its a load of hype over nothing!
she wasn't held "for several hours"....just 2 , and she wasn't charged under the terrorism act, but a ports act. the police didn't mention the terrorism act, and the harbour master just mentioned 9/11, not the the terrorism act.
so it just seems the press are making a story out of nothing again!

>> Edited by eccles on Monday 17th October 12:26


err she was still detained for two hours for walking along a path. A trifle excessive.

Obviously its part of the pro-bicycle conspiracy, they have slowly and subtley been taking over, adding their insidious bike lanes, slowly reclaiming the roads AND footpaths as well, greedy sods.

TeamD

5,060 posts

262 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
eccles said:
just seen her interviewed on the C4 lunch time news, and it seems its a load of hype over nothing!
she wasn't held "for several hours"....just 2 , and she wasn't charged under the terrorism act, but a ports act. the police didn't mention the terrorism act, and the harbour master just mentioned 9/11, not the the terrorism act.
so it just seems the press are making a story out of nothing again!

>> Edited by eccles on Monday 17th October 12:26


I think you've missed the point, the fact that she was treated differently simply because she was not on a bicycle is entirely ridiculous.

eccles

14,387 posts

252 months

Monday 17th October 2005
quotequote all
yes it is vaguely ridiculous that cyclists should be deemed less of a threat than a pedestrian

but she gets told more than once not to walk there, and then gets arrested, and then wonders why!....perhaps in her case the blond hair does have an effect!