Ann Widdecombe suspect charged with terrorism
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Earthdweller said:
Ann Widdecombe murder suspect, Joshua Kerry, 28, charged with terror offences against Nigel Farage after home firebombed
Perhaps if Police had dealt differently with the allegations made by Farage she might have been alive today
What ALL the allegations? I mean, everything he has said, everything he has accussed people of? That's a lot of dealing. Did you have something specific in mind, perhaps something where, for a change, he was specific?Perhaps if Police had dealt differently with the allegations made by Farage she might have been alive today
Edited by Earthdweller on Friday 2nd October 19:38
Farage will make political capital out of this I'm sure, like he has done with her muder. No need for others to do the same.
Derek Smith said:
Earthdweller said:
Ann Widdecombe murder suspect, Joshua Kerry, 28, charged with terror offences against Nigel Farage after home firebombed
Perhaps if Police had dealt differently with the allegations made by Farage she might have been alive today
What ALL the allegations? I mean, everything he has said, everything he has accussed people of? That's a lot of dealing. Did you have something specific in mind, perhaps something where, for a change, he was specific?Perhaps if Police had dealt differently with the allegations made by Farage she might have been alive today
Edited by Earthdweller on Friday 2nd October 19:38
Farage will make political capital out of this I'm sure, like he has done with her muder. No need for others to do the same.
Police classified the arson at Farage's home as an attempted burglary and closed the case
A subsequent review by CTP found the CCTV evidence that was missed/not checked in the initial enquiry which led to this charge
At least one member of police staff is now suspended and under investigation for gross misconduct for failing to check the CCTV
If they had then maybe AW would still be alive today
LittleBobbyTables said:
You seem to be typing faster than you re thinking.
I have thought about it. Dehumanising ones political opposition to the point that murder is an acceptable way to deal with them seems to very much be a thing in the extreme left wing sphere right now, hence the comparisons you see online where people say the left are now 'acting like the Nazis' And the list seems pretty big of late:
- Trump attempted assassination
- Charlie Kirk assassination
- healthcare CEO assassination
- Anne Widecombe
Earthdweller said:
There was a report of a crime which the Police investigated
Police classified the arson at Farage's home as an attempted burglary and closed the case
A subsequent review by CTP found the CCTV evidence that was missed/not checked in the initial enquiry which led to this charge
At least one member of police staff is now suspended and under investigation for gross misconduct for failing to check the CCTV
If they had then maybe AW would still be alive today
All those who suggested he made it up or it didn't happen will be coming on to admit they got it completely wrong no doubt.Police classified the arson at Farage's home as an attempted burglary and closed the case
A subsequent review by CTP found the CCTV evidence that was missed/not checked in the initial enquiry which led to this charge
At least one member of police staff is now suspended and under investigation for gross misconduct for failing to check the CCTV
If they had then maybe AW would still be alive today
More two tier policing writ large. If only the police spent more time investigating actual crime rather than falsely arresting people for Internet posts they may have prevented Anne's death.
valiant said:
DaveCWK said:
Left wing extremism seems to be the one that leads to murder.
Jo Cox s murderer might disagree.Mair may be a poster boy for the left to counter the right, and may have been right wing, but he had severe mental health issues even to the extent of seeking help for a MH crisis the night before he killed Jo Cox.
The left wing attacks listed above just appear to be due to aggressive hatred as evidenced by Kerry going from person to person to cause harm ... no
MrBogSmith said:
For those trying to point score with political terrorism, M15 s say their terrorism work is:
1) Islamic
2) Extreme-right wing
No one's trying to score points but some would like less MI5 activity on Yaxley-Lennon & Thomas and more on Kerry and anarchist groups and palestine disruptive groups who visibly are rarely catagorised as terrorist but activists eg Elbit incident ...!1) Islamic
2) Extreme-right wing
MI5 said:
Left-wing, anarchist and single-issue terrorism makes up a significantly smaller portion of our casework than other forms of terrorism.
Good thing this guy was caught arrested so quickly and subsequently charged but obviously we now need to understand what happened with Farage and if there was any way this guy could or should have been caught sooner.
I'm not sure it's reasonable to automatically assume that something that looks like arson might be what this now looks like - but if the Police didn't do basic due diligence that isn't right either.
Presume it's now with the IOPC or someone suitable to look into what level of investigation was done and if any corners were cut v what would usually be done.
Regardless of any of that thankfully an absolute nut job is now off the streets and from the sound of it hopefully own't be back on them for a very long time (if ever).
I'm not sure it's reasonable to automatically assume that something that looks like arson might be what this now looks like - but if the Police didn't do basic due diligence that isn't right either.
Presume it's now with the IOPC or someone suitable to look into what level of investigation was done and if any corners were cut v what would usually be done.
Regardless of any of that thankfully an absolute nut job is now off the streets and from the sound of it hopefully own't be back on them for a very long time (if ever).
Crying wolf won't have helped Farage.
He doesn't hold face to face surgeries in his constituency citing "advice" from the Speaker's office. The Speaker has denied this and Farage has provided no proof.
He didn't attend the result at the Clacton by-election, saying there was a terrorist threat. The police denied this. In fact if there was a credible threat why did he leave other candidates to face it?
SD.
He doesn't hold face to face surgeries in his constituency citing "advice" from the Speaker's office. The Speaker has denied this and Farage has provided no proof.
He didn't attend the result at the Clacton by-election, saying there was a terrorist threat. The police denied this. In fact if there was a credible threat why did he leave other candidates to face it?
SD.
shed driver said:
Crying wolf won't have helped Farage.
He doesn't hold face to face surgeries in his constituency citing "advice" from the Speaker's office. The Speaker has denied this and Farage has provided no proof.
He didn't attend the result at the Clacton by-election, saying there was a terrorist threat. The police denied this. In fact if there was a credible threat why did he leave other candidates to face it?
SD.
I think the summary of that is that Farage is a sHe doesn't hold face to face surgeries in his constituency citing "advice" from the Speaker's office. The Speaker has denied this and Farage has provided no proof.
He didn't attend the result at the Clacton by-election, saying there was a terrorist threat. The police denied this. In fact if there was a credible threat why did he leave other candidates to face it?
SD.
te MP, can't be arsed with the actual role of an MP to represent his constituents and his constituents are mostly too dim to realise as they've voted for a ghost who couldn't give a damn about them. They are just useful and manipulatable idiots to get him a platform without having to worry too much about him having to do much for them in return. It doesn't take much of a genius to work out why Clacton might be such a hole. The population don't demand anything of their MP to help improve anything. If representation worked as it should, Farage should be way to busy responding to the demands of his electorate to fight for all manner of improvements and bring some vibrancy to the area. Instead, he's probably just told them it's all brown people and that letting him bang that drum nationally (to advance his own cause) is the best thing they can let him do. Fools. Edited by bigglesA110 on Saturday 3rd October 07:50
T6 vanman said:
MrBogSmith said:
For those trying to point score with political terrorism, M15 s say their terrorism work is:
1) Islamic
2) Extreme-right wing
No one's trying to score points but some would like less MI5 activity on Yaxley-Lennon & Thomas and more on Kerry and anarchist groups and palestine disruptive groups who visibly are rarely catagorised as terrorist but activists eg Elbit incident ...!1) Islamic
2) Extreme-right wing
MI5 said:
Left-wing, anarchist and single-issue terrorism makes up a significantly smaller portion of our casework than other forms of terrorism.
bigglesA110 said:
shed driver said:
Crying wolf won't have helped Farage.
He doesn't hold face to face surgeries in his constituency citing "advice" from the Speaker's office. The Speaker has denied this and Farage has provided no proof.
He didn't attend the result at the Clacton by-election, saying there was a terrorist threat. The police denied this. In fact if there was a credible threat why did he leave other candidates to face it?
SD.
I think the summary of that is that Farage is a sHe doesn't hold face to face surgeries in his constituency citing "advice" from the Speaker's office. The Speaker has denied this and Farage has provided no proof.
He didn't attend the result at the Clacton by-election, saying there was a terrorist threat. The police denied this. In fact if there was a credible threat why did he leave other candidates to face it?
SD.
te MP, can't be arsed with the actual role of an MP to represent his constituents and his constituents are mostly too dim to realise as they've voted for a ghost who couldn't give a damn about them. They are just useful and manipulatable idiots to get him a platform without having to worry too much about him having to do much for them in return. It doesn't take much of a genius to work out why Clacton might be such a hole. The population don't demand anything of their MP to help improve anything. If representation worked as it should, Farage should be way to busy responding to the demands of his electorate to fight for all manner of improvements and bring some vibrancy to the area. Instead, he's probably just told them it's all brown people and that letting him bang that drum nationally (to advance his own Edited by bigglesA110 on Saturday 3rd October 07:50
As to the OP, good that the perp has been charged. As to whether the wider area CCTV should have been checked, I think an honest stand back review would find that the police had insufficient resources to investigate the minor burglary given what they knew at the time, despite Farage being a Politically Exposed Person, but hindsight now demands this person be hung out to dry.
FredericRobinson said:
Political extremism leads to murder, there are numerous examples from left and right, point scoring on the matter is contemptable.
Agreed. Why we need to be pulled together as a country not divided. And that partly falls down to political leadership and decency of the electorate.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff