France - School Riots
Discussion
Seems our Gallic cousins are off again.
Beeb is running live coverage: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cmx2z20vz124t
From what I've read, so far 65 school staff have been injured, including 40 headteachers. And around 2k arrests to date.
Some eye opening clips circulating. Anger really is an energy. Will this work out better for Le Pen or Melenchon? Is law and order now optional, or something to be used to barter for votes?
The scenes from France are quite insane
3000 arrests last night, fire engines destroyed, a fireman set on fire, teachers attacked, schools and churches set on fire
Hundreds injured
One of the videos online shows a Mayor of a Parisian suburb leading the rioters in his area and proclaiming that violence is acceptable to achieve your goals
3000 arrests last night, fire engines destroyed, a fireman set on fire, teachers attacked, schools and churches set on fire
Hundreds injured
One of the videos online shows a Mayor of a Parisian suburb leading the rioters in his area and proclaiming that violence is acceptable to achieve your goals
Ziplobb said:
If it can happen in France it can happen here
It takes very little for the French to coat their local mairie in manure or block the autoroute with tractor tyres. The 'grievances' seem to be - long hours, overcrowding, not enough teachers, no aircon.
So every other school on planet Earth since minute one.
Not really sure where this came from and I doubt the people applying violence do either.
The standard response of the French state won't be helping to calm things down.
Time for RAID again…
There is protesting about a cause and then there is mass civil unrest and completely disproportionate serious crime and violence that has no connection to the ‘cause’. Not sure burning the schools, fire engines, buses, ladies faces and looting Decathlon is quite justified!
They’ll be shouts of unbelievable actions by police against ‘kids’, but these ‘kids’ are doing very adult, serious things that can’t be allowed to carry on. It is disgusting behaviour.
It normally takes a couple of days for things to swing into action to get resources in place for such big disorder and then hopefully the clamp down will come.
There is protesting about a cause and then there is mass civil unrest and completely disproportionate serious crime and violence that has no connection to the ‘cause’. Not sure burning the schools, fire engines, buses, ladies faces and looting Decathlon is quite justified!
They’ll be shouts of unbelievable actions by police against ‘kids’, but these ‘kids’ are doing very adult, serious things that can’t be allowed to carry on. It is disgusting behaviour.
It normally takes a couple of days for things to swing into action to get resources in place for such big disorder and then hopefully the clamp down will come.
bloomen said:
Ziplobb said:
If it can happen in France it can happen here
It takes very little for the French to coat their local mairie in manure or block the autoroute with tractor tyres. The 'grievances' seem to be - long hours, overcrowding, not enough teachers, no aircon.
So every other school on planet Earth since minute one.
Not really sure where this came from and I doubt the people applying violence do either.
The standard response of the French state won't be helping to calm things down.
Guarenteed win
Earthdweller said:
The best way of dealing with overcrowding and shortage of teachers is clearly to burn your school down and beat up your teachers
Guarenteed win
Guarenteed win
The riots are over and you need to finish your classes and get your qualification. The teacher you beat up is refusing to teach you, or the school has expelled you....
One thing the French can really do well (other than wine and cheese) is rioting. They must be some of the best on the planet. Endlessly doing it and when they do go for it, it's extreme.
Makes the UK side look so unexceptional.
3000 arrests is monumental, not to mention the deaths and other actions.
Could you imagine their reaction to the student loans debacle or the Governments ridiculous u-turn for student fees years back?!
Makes the UK side look so unexceptional.
3000 arrests is monumental, not to mention the deaths and other actions.
Could you imagine their reaction to the student loans debacle or the Governments ridiculous u-turn for student fees years back?!
vikingaero said:
Earthdweller said:
The best way of dealing with overcrowding and shortage of teachers is clearly to burn your school down and beat up your teachers
Guarenteed win
Guarenteed win
The riots are over and you need to finish your classes and get your qualification. The teacher you beat up is refusing to teach you, or the school has expelled you....
ukwill said:
Seems our Gallic cousins are off again.
Beeb is running live coverage: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cmx2z20vz124t
From what I've read, so far 65 school staff have been injured, including 40 headteachers. And around 2k arrests to date.
Some eye opening clips circulating. Anger really is an energy. Will this work out better for Le Pen or Melenchon? Is law and order now optional, or something to be used to barter for votes?
Got to hand it to the BBC, every photo they have on this incident shows white native looking french people. When I first saw this on my social media feed I was uncertain if it was actually France from the videos. Beeb is running live coverage: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cmx2z20vz124t
From what I've read, so far 65 school staff have been injured, including 40 headteachers. And around 2k arrests to date.
Some eye opening clips circulating. Anger really is an energy. Will this work out better for Le Pen or Melenchon? Is law and order now optional, or something to be used to barter for votes?
Edited by moanthebairns on Friday 2nd October 17:03
I think it is a bit of the hangover from the revolution. A tradition of rioting.
There were the school riots in Paris around the end of the 60s. People were killed, including one at least police officer. There were street battles between thousands of rioters, mostly students (nothing changes), and the police, who were heavily outnumbered. It went on for a week or so (from memory) and left parts of the centre of Paris in a right mess, although caused by which side is still in dispute. Barriers everywhere. Lots of support for the rioters initially, but then they got bored. De Gaul ran away. I remember that.
Kids today have no idea.
But the French have their myths, and rioting brings results.
There was a video we PCs were shown where a student, Galoise hanging from a lip, jacket over his shoulder, walked out from the barricaded area and said something to an exhausted gendarme. Bad move. He got a rifle but to the back of his head. No one cared. The French evidently thought it hilarious.
Every country has its myths and false memories (might be some above) and revolution and rioting is such fun. Let them play, promise air con, then bung them back in their classrooms.
There were the school riots in Paris around the end of the 60s. People were killed, including one at least police officer. There were street battles between thousands of rioters, mostly students (nothing changes), and the police, who were heavily outnumbered. It went on for a week or so (from memory) and left parts of the centre of Paris in a right mess, although caused by which side is still in dispute. Barriers everywhere. Lots of support for the rioters initially, but then they got bored. De Gaul ran away. I remember that.
Kids today have no idea.
But the French have their myths, and rioting brings results.
There was a video we PCs were shown where a student, Galoise hanging from a lip, jacket over his shoulder, walked out from the barricaded area and said something to an exhausted gendarme. Bad move. He got a rifle but to the back of his head. No one cared. The French evidently thought it hilarious.
Every country has its myths and false memories (might be some above) and revolution and rioting is such fun. Let them play, promise air con, then bung them back in their classrooms.
moanthebairns said:
ukwill said:
Seems our Gallic cousins are off again.
Beeb is running live coverage: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cmx2z20vz124t
From what I've read, so far 65 school staff have been injured, including 40 headteachers. And around 2k arrests to date.
Some eye opening clips circulating. Anger really is an energy. Will this work out better for Le Pen or Melenchon? Is law and order now optional, or something to be used to barter for votes?
Got to hand it to the BBC, every photo they have on this incident shows white native looking french people. When I first saw this on my social media feed I was uncertain if it was actually France from the videos. Beeb is running live coverage: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cmx2z20vz124t
From what I've read, so far 65 school staff have been injured, including 40 headteachers. And around 2k arrests to date.
Some eye opening clips circulating. Anger really is an energy. Will this work out better for Le Pen or Melenchon? Is law and order now optional, or something to be used to barter for votes?
Edited by moanthebairns on Friday 2nd October 17:03
The one I have seen was of a white female teacher being physically attacked by a black male student.
Not on the beeb obvs.
I went to Bow Street Mag Crt in the late 70s when there was an attempt to get a decent wage in the police. As it was just over the border from the City, I went in uniform (might get an arrest and overtime) and I went past LSE buildings in Aldwych. They had student disruption. They were hanging out of the windows yelling at passers-by, as were a lot of placards, and bedding with their problems on them. One yelled out, 'We support you [police] in your fight for fair pay.' I yelled back, 'Can't see any placards that say that,' and walked off. When I returned, after a couple of hours, there was a bedsheet with their support for the police on it hanging from the window the lad had been in. I pointed to it, applauded, and got a big cheer.
That's the way to disrupt teaching.
That's the way to disrupt teaching.
Regular traveller to France & a country that i am incredibly fond of. Some years ago, heading south & needing fuel i came off of an auto route and into a town, cant recall exactly where we were, but we ended up in the grimmest most depressing tower block estate i have yet seen ( Far worse than the Soviet era tower block estates in Sofia ) there was an air of unease about the place and despite my then van being a left hooker, its UK plate was soon spotted & it was very obvious that we were not welcome, which was really spooking my companion. Luckily we found a fuel station & got out pronto.
From memory i think it was one of the towns that cars were deliberately being set alight to lure the Sappeurs - Pompiers in, who were then being attacked by the locals, the area became a no go zone for them & the ambulance service.
From memory i think it was one of the towns that cars were deliberately being set alight to lure the Sappeurs - Pompiers in, who were then being attacked by the locals, the area became a no go zone for them & the ambulance service.
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