Softner plumbing in a shoebox

[fourstardan]

This job is burning me and my back out, first fix plumbing done, then plumbing in waste for the softner, that runs on a separate drain run.

Now im back two steps, the waste wont fit with the poxy hoses for the softner feeds.

The waste currently runs down the back of the cabinet and under the cabinet into a 110 dual cover. The softner waste is running in there too.

Im gazumped and it's driving me up the wall what to do about the sink waste. I bought the Space saving waste kit, works well but the hoses push it uneven and I don't like that.

Next options I can think of but welcome ideas;

1. One feels like drilling a hole in the cabinet floor above the drain but I really don't like this as it'll be a complete pita.
2. Get longer softner feed pipes, these were 600/700, I had 1000 originally took them back and they made these up, wondering if 800 is a better option to push the beyond where the waste p trap can go.

Help! (again)!

[Mike Legerwood]

We really need a picture or two - can you post some?

[omniflow]

It might be a bit late in the day for this but, is under the sink the best place for your water softener?

Ours is in the loft. It's Wi-Fi connected, and I get an email when it's running low on salt. It works like a dream.

[fourstardan]

Sorry Mike what a donut i thought I had done.

Also contemplating over a strong coffee to change the hoses to go vertical up and not horizontal.

They are so bulky they have zero flex.

[Mike Legerwood]

Is the waste pipe you are connecting to at the back under the brass drain cock?

Is there room to get one of these in?

https://hepvo.com/hepvo-waterless-valve/

[Mr Pointy]

Would this help at all?

https://mcalpineplumbing.com/traps/sink-kits/plumb...

[OutInTheShed]

Cut the floor out of the cabinet?

[fourstardan]

Sorry not giving the full details, I will need to add a condensate spurs for boiler on the run out after the trap.

I think cab cut out is the only option.

[fourstardan]

Ok, might be going back to the non space saver waste option.

Had a VIVA P Trap so tried how this would work in this config.

Is this going to be suitable for drainage? I will add in a swept 90 degree where the blue corner is on the image

Soldered up the garden tap earlier and burnt the poxy dishwasher drain hose in the process....now can't find one anywhere FFS!!!

[andy43]

That’d work fine, maybe add a tee at the bottom so you’ve an option to add a 32/40 air admittance valve at high level later if needed. Looks v tidy considering what you’ve crammed in there!

[fourstardan]

God its a horrendous job, ive bought literally all the solvent weld fittings to get this in and got shares in mcalpine.

I will say though thst Mcalpine are a top draw company and think of everything regarding plumbing.

[johnoz]

fourstardan said:

God its a horrendous job, ive bought literally all the solvent weld fittings to get this in and got shares in mcalpine.

I will say though thst Mcalpine are a top draw company and think of everything regarding plumbing.

How you getting on?

Did you not get a plumb out kit with the softener? A grey fitting that clamps to the waste pipe?

Plumbing looking ok so far though if you had 90 degree bends to put on the bypass end it may of given you more room.
Probably a bit late now.
Also drilling 4 holes in the base of the unit and running the pipes thruogh under the base and then back up is a good route too.

[johnoz]

Something like this. I know the softener is not in the same cupboard, but it gives you the idea.

See the grey plumb out kit too.

[johnoz]

This is a 600 under sink..



And if you want a tight fit, this was tight.
A Hague, Quooker, Quooker Cube and filter, and yes, you could still get your hand to the back and turn off the stopcock.

[B'stard Child]

fourstardan said:

I think cab cut out is the only option.

That's exactly what I had to do - kitchen is being replaced soon but this gave me the space/clearance I needed

Next under-sink cupboard will be an 800 not a 600



Downside was when one of the softener flexi's started leaking we didn't know until water was coming up between the floor tiles which is another reason why the kitchen is being replaced, along with the floor and tiles!!!

[B'stard Child]

johnoz said:

And if you want a tight fit, this was tight.
A Hague, Quooker, Quooker Cube and filter, and yes, you could still get your hand to the back and turn off the stopcock.

that's all a bit snug in there!!!

[johnoz]

B'stard Child said:

johnoz said:

And if you want a tight fit, this was tight.
A Hague, Quooker, Quooker Cube and filter, and yes, you could still get your hand to the back and turn off the stopcock.

that's all a bit snug in there!!!

The customer challenged me to fit it all under the sink, at first I thought no way, but with a little thinking, job done.

[johnoz]

Customers under sink on arrival!



Job completed to the customer's needs.

[andy43]

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