London has fallen?

[Countdown]

There's often strong debate about what a hellhole London has turned into, especially under Khaaaaan. Here's the latest study for people to pick holes in.....

ruth about crime in capital revealed in new study

[Randy Winkman]

Many recent posts on PH seem to have been about how awful and violent much of the rest of the county is. I'm pleased to still live in the SE London suburbs where it's both peaceful but there's plenty to do. It's where I plan to live out my days.

[chrispmartha]

It’s always funny how the people that say the love the uk and are “patriots “ are the people who constantly denigrate the capital city, which yes has it’s issues (like any world city) but is a wonderful city.

[valiant]

Most people who moan about London either have never visited the place, visited once as a tourist and found it far too busy, got overwhelmed and vowed never to return or whose whole experience is as a commuter who has never strayed from Mainline London Terminus to their office except to go to Pret at lunch but because they’ve done it for years they consider themselves an authority on London.

[Hoofy]

"A third of the public believes London has “no-go” areas where Sharia law dominates"

Excuse my ignorance but wouldn't an area under Sharia law be safer? Comments from people who know a lot about Sharia law welcome.

[RabidGranny]

chrispmartha said:

It s always funny how the people that say the love the uk and are patriots are the people who constantly denigrate the capital city, which yes has it s issues (like any world city) but is a wonderful city.

when i lived there, i used to hear people denigrate the tube system on a daily basis. its an absolutely fantastic system, it really is. Like you say, the city has its issues, but theres nowhere else in the world I could get up at 4am with a taste for Armenian cuisine and go and have it in front of me within the hour. London is unreal

[Xenoous]

Hoofy said:

"A third of the public believes London has no-go areas where Sharia law dominates"

Excuse my ignorance but wouldn't an area under Sharia law be safer? Comments from people who know a lot about Sharia law welcome.

Unless you're an uncovered woman, of course.

London is London. It has great places and more run down areas. I like visiting, but I'd hate to live there. I think that's mostly just down to me preferring a quieter life, though.

[Countdown]

Hoofy said:

"A third of the public believes London has no-go areas where Sharia law dominates"

Excuse my ignorance but wouldn't an area under Sharia law be safer? Comments from people who know a lot about Sharia law welcome.

Theoretically but people would have to accept things like

1. Amputation
2. Stoning (not the nice type)
3. Flogging
4. Executions

[DaveCWK]

"However, it highlighted rises in some crimes such as shoplifting, theft from the person, as well as sexual offences and violence between 2019 and 2025."

AKA muggings and street assault. The exact crime that makes people feel less safe?

I mean a fall in the number of bank robberies for example would be cited as falling crime, doesn't really affect or matter to the general population does it.

[isaldiri]

that 'total crime' is falling does not necessary entirely aligned with what people perceive as crime is hardly a surprise though. that latter is more like 'visible crime' ie as per the post above that highlighted that very article stating 'it highlighted rises in some crimes such as shoplifting, theft from the person, as well as sexual offences and violence'. KCL can't or shouldn't be unaware of that so not attempting to address that seems slightly disingenuous tbh...

[NDA]

London is not exactly a 'hell-hole', but it has undoubtedly changed. I worked in London for over 30 years from the early 80's - there were fewer people begging, fewer homeless in doorways and there seemed to be fewer dodgy areas. You could wear a decent watch in London back then as there wasn't an underlying fear (whether rational or irrational) that you might get stabbed for it.

Although I no longer work in the centre, I still go to London regularly - so I can see the changes.

[CMTMB]

I've not been to London for 6+ years so I can't really give any recent first hand experience - it's a city I've always loved visiting for a weekend though.

I did hear a discussion around crime in the city recently from a former Met police officer and they were saying the crime figures for things like muggings, shoplifting, phone thefts are misleading because people are now less likely to report them, they have no faith that the police can / will do anything about it. I think it's these 'minor' crimes that people are fearful of on a daily basis when walking the streets.

I doubt London is much different to any other city though. I live near Glasgow which isn't exactly a crime free utopia.

[thegreenhell]

Countdown said:

Hoofy said:

"A third of the public believes London has no-go areas where Sharia law dominates"

Excuse my ignorance but wouldn't an area under Sharia law be safer? Comments from people who know a lot about Sharia law welcome.

Theoretically but people would have to accept things like

1. Amputation
2. Stoning (not the nice type)
3. Flogging
4. Executions

But none of those are likely to be a concern for anyone walking down the street in any particular area, any more than you'd be worried about electrocution or receiving a lethal injection when visiting America. They are punishments for specific crimes under a judicial system, not things that just happen on the street.

[S600BSB]

chrispmartha said:

It s always funny how the people that say the love the uk and are patriots are the people who constantly denigrate the capital city, which yes has it s issues (like any world city) but is a wonderful city.

They are just idiots. Still a brilliant city to live, work and socialise in.

[John D.]

Countdown said:

Hoofy said:

"A third of the public believes London has no-go areas where Sharia law dominates"

Excuse my ignorance but wouldn't an area under Sharia law be safer? Comments from people who know a lot about Sharia law welcome.

Theoretically but people would have to accept things like

1. Amputation
2. Stoning (not the nice type)
3. Flogging
4. Executions

Don't the patriots living in Dubai actually like that stuff anyway?

[Leon R]

Does Dubai have all of those things?

[vixen1700]

Been living back in East London for a decade now and it has changed for the worse.
More people fly-tipping, more aggressive, less good manners on public transport, worse driving and more crime.

We do need to 'un-London' more by getting away for weekends or just a random spur of the moment trip to France or Suffolk or Spain.

Having said that, it's not the total hell-hole a lot of PHers would imagine for day to day living.

Both myself and mrsVixen were born and grew up in London and would probably find living out in the country difficult, we tried it for a few years when we both worked and it was a struggle in the end to be honest.

[thegreenhell]

vixen1700 said:

Been living back in East London for a decade now and it has changed for the worse.
More people fly-tipping, more aggressive, less good manners on public transport, worse driving and more crime.

That's not just London, though, is it? Fly-tipping and general rudeness appear to be widespread in this country.

[bigglesA110]

vixen1700 said:

Been living back in East London for a decade now and it has changed for the worse.
More people fly-tipping, more aggressive, less good manners on public transport, worse driving and more crime.

We do need to 'un-London' more by getting away for weekends or just a random spur of the moment trip to France or Suffolk or Spain.

Having said that, it's not the total hell-hole a lot of PHers would imagine for day to day living.

Both myself and mrsVixen were born and grew up in London and would probably find living out in the country difficult, we tried it for a few years when we both worked and it was a struggle in the end to be honest.

In fairness, those trends are generally reflected across the UK. You can say the same thing about where I am in central Scotland. Society as a whole is just becoming a less pleasant place. Nothing to do with immigrants in my view, but a whole lot to do with social media's ability to feed the selfish human trait and amplify attitudes much more widely than would have been possible in the age of pub chat and local newspapers.

[vixen1700]

thegreenhell said:

That's not just London, though, is it? Fly-tipping and general rudeness appear to be widespread in this country.

You do notice the change immediately when you get out of London.

Hence getting away to places like Suffolk for a few days, that general rudeness isn't there.