Re Drawing Correct World maps
Re Drawing Correct World maps
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AndyAudi

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3,989 posts

252 months

Saturday 5th September
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This was a really interesting read on my news feed today, I consider myself relatively knowledgeable but hadn’t really realised the extent of how “incorrect” the map of the world we know is.

This statement blew my mind a bit

“You could fit the United States, China, India, Japan, Mexico and much of Europe into Africa and still have land to spare”

I’ll update my wall maps

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce30vp55dnlo


hyperblue

2,911 posts

210 months

Saturday 5th September
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Is this all just a cunning plan by Greenland to look less bigly?

I was aware there was an issue with map projection, but didn’t appreciate how disproportionate the sizing of Greenland and Africa were. Seems fair enough to go for a more accurate representation.

butchstewie

67,756 posts

240 months

Saturday 5th September
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This website is quite good.

https://thetruesize.com

WH16

8,500 posts

248 months

Saturday 5th September
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This one published by The Economist a while back is a good representation of the true size of Africa


Russet Grange

3,066 posts

56 months

Saturday 5th September
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Lawro1

250 posts

11 months

Saturday 5th September
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And Russia also fits very easily inside Africa which isn't apparent from the Marcator maps we all are familiar with.

Here's the true relative sizes of the countries.


WH16

8,500 posts

248 months

Saturday 5th September
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The solution is to buy a globe, as no projection is perfect.

dukeboy749r

3,855 posts

240 months

Saturday 5th September
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I read that the USA voted against the change.

Odd that they were so concerned that more than one country had sought a new map and most countries agreed. In what is really nothing more than actually having a map that reflects reality and yet the USA, who arbitrarily chose to change names of bodies of water, get pissy about it.

Pathetic.


NDA

25,631 posts

255 months

Saturday 5th September
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I assume there'll be a request for compensation?

swisstoni

24,014 posts

309 months

Saturday 5th September
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WH16 said:
The solution is to buy a globe, as no projection is perfect.
Is the right answer.
I wonder if Trump's interest in Greenland was informed by it's apparent enormity on the projection maps. hehe

JuanCarlosFandango

9,826 posts

101 months

Saturday 5th September
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Nice slidey graphic here

https://apnews.com/article/un-africa-map-mercator-...

Interesting and I'm all for accuracy, don't think the Mercator is racist though.

mac96

6,505 posts

173 months

Saturday 5th September
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I have absolutely no issue with this, except to wonder: Why now? It's not a recent discovery!
I remember discussion of the inaccuracies of Mercator and problems with other flat projections decades ago. As stated above the only absolutely right answer is a globe but they don't fit in your pocket.

Roofless Toothless

7,575 posts

162 months

Saturday 5th September
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I remember some years ago the BBC weather forecasters decided to change the big map of the UK they stand in front of from a Mercator projection, which artificially makes everything towards the north look bigger, to a different projection, where areas are represented more realistically.

There were howls of protest from Scottish Nationalists saying this was part of an invidious plot by the English to denigrate and insult the Scottish people in their quest for freedom.

Simpo Two

92,821 posts

295 months

Saturday 5th September
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I heard the feature about it on R4 this morning. Of all the countries and continents looking bigger with the Mercator projection - ie everything across or near the equator, they seemed only interested in Africa, and an African woman was on saying how demeaning, unfair, and lots of other words, it was for Africa. At the end a more rational chap came on and said that's what happens when you try to flatten out a sphere, and a compromise has to be made somewhere to do so. And that's the truth. The Mercator projection is for navigation and gives accurate angles between different places. The side-effect is that countries towards the poles look bigger and vice versa.

I thought it was rather silly and unnecessary that R4 allowed a simple scientific issue to assume almost a 'wacist' angle.

swisstoni

24,014 posts

309 months

Saturday 5th September
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Roofless Toothless said:
I remember some years ago the BBC weather forecasters decided to change the big map of the UK they stand in front of from a Mercator projection, which artificially makes everything towards the north look bigger, to a different projection, where areas are represented more realistically.

There were howls of protest from Scottish Nationalists saying this was part of an invidious plot by the English to denigrate and insult the Scottish people in their quest for freedom.
I think it was the other way around. The map was presented with the North shown smaller relatively than the South.
So they changed it following complaints.

(I remember an Armando Iannucci sketch where a live tv show was interrupted by protesters calling for a "Big North!")

Lawro1

250 posts

11 months

Saturday 5th September
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dukeboy749r said:
I read that the USA voted against the change.

Odd that they were so concerned that more than one country had sought a new map and most countries agreed. In what is really nothing more than actually having a map that reflects reality and yet the USA, who arbitrarily chose to change names of bodies of water, get pissy about it.

Pathetic.
for your answer.have a look at how much smaller the US is in reality on that map above.

Canada and Russia don't come out of it too well either. As for Greenland.. hehe

Roofless Toothless

7,575 posts

162 months

Saturday 5th September
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swisstoni said:
Roofless Toothless said:
I remember some years ago the BBC weather forecasters decided to change the big map of the UK they stand in front of from a Mercator projection, which artificially makes everything towards the north look bigger, to a different projection, where areas are represented more realistically.

There were howls of protest from Scottish Nationalists saying this was part of an invidious plot by the English to denigrate and insult the Scottish people in their quest for freedom.
I think it was the other way around. The map was presented with the North shown smaller relatively than the South.
So they changed it following complaints.

(I remember an Armando Iannucci sketch where a live tv show was interrupted by protesters calling for a "Big North!")
I think that’s what I said ….

200bhp

5,798 posts

249 months

Saturday 5th September
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WH16 said:
The solution is to buy a globe, as no projection is perfect.
Depends on the globe - We have one that shows the UK clearly oversized, despite coming from Australia.

Hill92

5,439 posts

220 months

Saturday 5th September
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WH16

8,500 posts

248 months

Saturday 5th September
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200bhp said:
WH16 said:
The solution is to buy a globe, as no projection is perfect.
Depends on the globe - We have one that shows the UK clearly oversized, despite coming from Australia.
Ok then, I should have said 'a correctly proportioned, good quality globe'. But my point stands. Flattening out the surface of an oblate spheroid into a flat plane comes with inherent mathematical difficulties.