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lucozade

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2,574 posts

308 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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Got a bit of a noise on cold start which I'm happy to live with but perhaps it needs looking at.

Basically on engine tick over there is a "spinning squeek" noise. Once the engine is warmed up the noise comes back but only when I apply any amount of throttle.

I'm trying to avoid a 120 mile round trip for the dealer to look at this so if anybody has any thoughts please shout, ta.

obes

3,298 posts

273 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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I sometimes get a squeak from the AC compressor. (it doesn't have to be on to do it) a bit of grit sometimes gets in the wheel.

Most likely a belt though

amg merc

11,955 posts

282 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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Yes, sounds like the belts (this will be more evident in the colder/damper weather) just apply some lube spray whilst running and it should go away. Try to avoid WD40 as, although it works, it strips away any existing lubricant.

paulcundy

1,897 posts

294 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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amg merc said:
Yes, sounds like the belts (this will be more evident in the colder/damper weather) just apply some lube spray whilst running and it should go away. Try to avoid WD40 as, although it works, it strips away any existing lubricant.


Is it sensible to spray a lubricant onto the belts? I thought the idea was that they used friction to turn stuff?
Regards
PauL C


amg merc

11,955 posts

282 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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paulcundy said:

amg merc said:
Yes, sounds like the belts (this will be more evident in the colder/damper weather) just apply some lube spray whilst running and it should go away. Try to avoid WD40 as, although it works, it strips away any existing lubricant.



Is it sensible to spray a lubricant onto the belts? I thought the idea was that they used friction to turn stuff?
Regards
PauL C


Well, I've seen sprays that mention use on belts so yes - and its a common fix in the trade AFAIK.

Happy to be corrected as always!

joust

14,622 posts

288 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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Do NOT use a lubricant!

Strange as it seems I've been told by many a mechanic to use natural hand soap (not fairy liquid, but the hard block soap) to stop the squeaking.

However, a squeak normally means the belt isn't adjusted for the correct tension so you really should get it professionally checked out as if it continues to squeak you could be looking at an early failure.

J

joust

14,622 posts

288 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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amg merc said:

Well, I've seen sprays that mention use on belts so yes - and its a common fix in the trade AFAIK.
The general consensus on Internet forums (so it must be true!) is that "belt dressing" solves the problem short term, but generally just masks a bigger problem.

J

amg merc

11,955 posts

282 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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joust said:
Do NOT use a lubricant!

Strange as it seems I've been told by many a mechanic to use natural hand soap (not fairy liquid, but the hard block soap) to stop the squeaking.

However, a squeak normally means the belt isn't adjusted for the correct tension so you really should get it professionally checked out as if it continues to squeak you could be looking at an early failure.

J


Well then somebody better tell the dealers and the factory as I've seen them both use spray lube to cure a noisy belt!!!

joust

14,622 posts

288 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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As I said, it depends if the squeak is down to incorrect tension. If it's tensioned correctly but still squeaks (i.e. the squeak isn't an indicator of it being incorrect) then soap or one of these belt sprays will of course be fine.

As with most things, and as I said above, if you are at all worried about something on the car, best to go back to a professional.

J

loonie

49 posts

255 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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I use silicone spray on the belts for both the Noble and Jag. It works for several weeks.

amg merc

11,955 posts

282 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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loonie said:
I use silicone spray on the belts for both the Noble and Jag. It works for several weeks.


Yep, never caused a problem on any car I've owned

micknall

826 posts

278 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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Lucozade,

If the belt's squeaking, chances are it'll need adjusting or replacing.

Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.

lucozade

Original Poster:

2,574 posts

308 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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micknall said:
Lucozade,

If the belt's squeaking, chances are it'll need adjusting or replacing.

Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.


Thanks Simon, I will contact my dealer and do the 120mile round trip !

Kind regards.

BliarOut

72,863 posts

268 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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Surely it's just a belt? I would have thought any decent local dealer should be able to tension/replace it for you if you're not comfortable doing it yourself.

lucozade

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2,574 posts

308 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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BliarOut said:
Surely it's just a belt? I would have thought any decent local dealer should be able to tension/replace it for you if you're not comfortable doing it yourself.


Going to get my pre-track day checks done at the same time so seems like a good idea now.

Dealer said it costs just as much in time to check the belt as it does to replace. Belts are approx £12.

LaurenceFrost

691 posts

281 months

Saturday 15th October 2005
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lucozade said:
Got a bit of a noise on cold start which I'm happy to live with but perhaps it needs looking at.

Basically on engine tick over there is a "spinning squeek" noise. Once the engine is warmed up the noise comes back but only when I apply any amount of throttle.

I'm trying to avoid a 120 mile round trip for the dealer to look at this so if anybody has any thoughts please shout, ta.

My mum had this exact problem on her car.

A squeek...squeek...squeek...squeek in time with the revs of the car (would speed up as the revs did).

As soon as the car warmed it went away.

Turned out to be the alternator belt. It was replaced at Mole Valley for around £130 I think.

Problem has not been back since.

wildwilly

11 posts

257 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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Lucozade, did they manage to cure your car.
My car makes a really irritating noise which could well be the same thing. I had it serviced a couple of weeks back and ever since the belt on the drivers side of the engine has been squeaking like crazy, but only when the engine is warm. It's fine when I cold start it. I took it back last week, and they stuck another new belt on there, but now it's back again...

lucozade

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2,574 posts

308 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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New belt fitted yesterday. Loud Squeak has gone but I still have a bit of a rattle.

jipsom

199 posts

269 months

Wednesday 26th October 2005
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My Dad swore by graphite (pencil lead) to ease tensions and squeaks and whirrs. It always worked a treat.
Mind you, I did once see him clean a scorched piston with a bit of wet'n'dry.
Hmmm.

scouser

7 posts

252 months

Monday 17th April 2006
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Wilwilly did you ever cure yours as I've just hit exactly the same problem with my Noble - quiet when cold then noisy when warm - drivers side.....