Police arrest stabbing victim
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WTAF is going on!
https://www.thurrockgazette.co.uk/news/26106975.ch...
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/sikh-man-stab...
Southampton officers need to be sacked for that! Cant believe that there wasn't a s
t load of blood evident from the victim!
Sounds a lot like the Police in Rotherham who didn't want to arrest for fear of being called Racists
https://www.thurrockgazette.co.uk/news/26106975.ch...
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/sikh-man-stab...
Southampton officers need to be sacked for that! Cant believe that there wasn't a s
t load of blood evident from the victim! Sounds a lot like the Police in Rotherham who didn't want to arrest for fear of being called Racists
JoshSm said:
There was a thread but someone moaned about checking facts and it evaporated.
Facts checked."Mr Lobbenberg said: “He didn’t seek help for the man he had injured with his sizeable knife, instead he accused him of being a racist and being drunk.”
He added that police initially handcuffed Mr Nowak and started giving him first aid when he then collapsed."
https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2026-05-14/man-k...
That all seems fine. Tradition trumps the Law
The prosecutor said as well as the shastar – the Punjabi word for weapon or knife – which had a 21cm blade, Digwa had a kirpan knife around his neck and under his clothing.
He said: “Sikhism obliges male followers of the faith to carry and wear certain items, these include a wooden comb, a metal bangle and what is called a kirpan, a ceremonial knife.
“That small kirpan satisfies any religious obligation a Sikh may have to carry a blade and Mr Vickrum Digwa was carrying that under his clothing and around his neck.”
He added: “Mr Digwa was choosing to carry on the streets of Southampton a very large 21cm bladed knife.”
The prosecutor said as well as the shastar – the Punjabi word for weapon or knife – which had a 21cm blade, Digwa had a kirpan knife around his neck and under his clothing.
He said: “Sikhism obliges male followers of the faith to carry and wear certain items, these include a wooden comb, a metal bangle and what is called a kirpan, a ceremonial knife.
“That small kirpan satisfies any religious obligation a Sikh may have to carry a blade and Mr Vickrum Digwa was carrying that under his clothing and around his neck.”
He added: “Mr Digwa was choosing to carry on the streets of Southampton a very large 21cm bladed knife.”
I find it interesting the way this story is being framed by some parts of the media. If you can get passed the paywall, apparently the student was filming the Sikh chap & then apparently knocked his turban off. Which to me puts a different spin on it rather than a random stabbing for no reason. (Not that either action is reasonable ((knocking Sikh's turbans off or stabbing turban tippers)))
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/26107850.first-da...
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/26107850.first-da...
Edited by Richard-390a0 on Friday 15th May 11:12
Context is key and without knowing the facts it's wrong to jump to conclusions
Fwiw I've handcuffed and arrested a victim of a stabbing who was equally to blame for the fracas that caused it
It was only subsequently feeling a damp patch on his back, his breathing starting to go shallow that we investigated and found a puncture wound into a lung
He didn't tell us he'd been stabbed just said he'd been punched
He wasn't cooperative and we had to move from detention to life saving as a priority
Fortunately he didn't die
Policing isn't easy but its very easy to sit and say cudda, wudda, shudda
Fwiw I've handcuffed and arrested a victim of a stabbing who was equally to blame for the fracas that caused it
It was only subsequently feeling a damp patch on his back, his breathing starting to go shallow that we investigated and found a puncture wound into a lung
He didn't tell us he'd been stabbed just said he'd been punched
He wasn't cooperative and we had to move from detention to life saving as a priority
Fortunately he didn't die
Policing isn't easy but its very easy to sit and say cudda, wudda, shudda
sparta6 said:
That all seems fine. Tradition trumps the Law
The prosecutor said as well as the shastar the Punjabi word for weapon or knife which had a 21cm blade, Digwa had a kirpan knife around his neck and under his clothing.
He said: Sikhism obliges male followers of the faith to carry and wear certain items, these include a wooden comb, a metal bangle and what is called a kirpan, a ceremonial knife.
That small kirpan satisfies any religious obligation a Sikh may have to carry a blade and Mr Vickrum Digwa was carrying that under his clothing and around his neck.
He added: Mr Digwa was choosing to carry on the streets of Southampton a very large 21cm bladed knife.
Strange how Scots are no longer allowed to wear our traditional sgian-dubh although, to be fair, there's not much point without a kilt. The prosecutor said as well as the shastar the Punjabi word for weapon or knife which had a 21cm blade, Digwa had a kirpan knife around his neck and under his clothing.
He said: Sikhism obliges male followers of the faith to carry and wear certain items, these include a wooden comb, a metal bangle and what is called a kirpan, a ceremonial knife.
That small kirpan satisfies any religious obligation a Sikh may have to carry a blade and Mr Vickrum Digwa was carrying that under his clothing and around his neck.
He added: Mr Digwa was choosing to carry on the streets of Southampton a very large 21cm bladed knife.
Earthdweller said:
Context is key and without knowing the facts it's wrong to jump to conclusions
Fwiw I've handcuffed and arrested a victim of a stabbing who was equally to blame for the fracas that caused it
It was only subsequently feeling a damp patch on his back, his breathing starting to go shallow that we investigated and found a puncture wound into a lung
He didn't tell us he'd been stabbed just said he'd been punched
He wasn't cooperative and we had to move from detention to life saving as a priority
Fortunately he didn't die
Policing isn't easy but its very easy to sit and say cudda, wudda, shudda
Exactly.Fwiw I've handcuffed and arrested a victim of a stabbing who was equally to blame for the fracas that caused it
It was only subsequently feeling a damp patch on his back, his breathing starting to go shallow that we investigated and found a puncture wound into a lung
He didn't tell us he'd been stabbed just said he'd been punched
He wasn't cooperative and we had to move from detention to life saving as a priority
Fortunately he didn't die
Policing isn't easy but its very easy to sit and say cudda, wudda, shudda
The country's obsession with race\religion\sex ism will be our downfall as it's so very easily manipulated by the unscrupulous.
It's already delivered us a generation of scared individuals who lack any responsibility for making their own opinions and it's about to deliver us a Government built upon the fears of the last generation believing their no longer allowed to do or think anything.
It's already delivered us a generation of scared individuals who lack any responsibility for making their own opinions and it's about to deliver us a Government built upon the fears of the last generation believing their no longer allowed to do or think anything.
Richard-390a0 said:
I find it interesting the way this story is being framed by some parts of the media. If you can get passed the paywall, apparently the student was filming the Sikh chap & then apparently knocked his turban off. Which to me puts a different spin on it rather than a random stabbing for no reason. (Not that either action is reasonable ((knocking Sikh's turbans off or stabbing turban tippers)))
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/26107850.first-da...
That is the stabbers story, somebody who got his mum to hide the murder weapon amongst other weapons at their house.https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/26107850.first-da...
Edited by Richard-390a0 on Friday 15th May 11:12
dxg said:
Strange how Scots are no longer allowed to wear our traditional sgian-dubh although, to be fair, there's not much point without a kilt.
We are, but only when wearing the kilt."(5)Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) above to [F4show] that he had the article with him—
(a)for use at work;
(b)for religious reasons; or
(c)as part of any national costume."
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/39/secti...
Or
" Similarly if it could be proved that the item was for use at work, part of a national costume (such as a skean dhu) or being carried for religious reasons."
https://www.prosecutioninspectorate.scot/publicati...
irc said:
dxg said:
Strange how Scots are no longer allowed to wear our traditional sgian-dubh although, to be fair, there's not much point without a kilt.
We are, but only when wearing the kilt."(5)Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) above to [F4show] that he had the article with him
(a)for use at work;
(b)for religious reasons; or
(c)as part of any national costume."
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/39/secti...
Or
" Similarly if it could be proved that the item was for use at work, part of a national costume (such as a skean dhu) or being carried for religious reasons."
https://www.prosecutioninspectorate.scot/publicati...
I expect the police to detain and if necessary arrest the offender even if they are injured (although in this case I expect it was less obvious he was injured) they should be dealt with.
Victims who have used force to defend themselves should not be automatically arrested. Thats the whole point of self defence.
Until the basic facts are established then everyone is detained.
As for this case, we simply dont know but I expect the police used the information they had.
Whilst you expect blood everywhere if someone is stabbed or shot it does not always happen that way. When Ronald Reagan was shot at close range he was bundled into the car and driven off and it was assumed he was not hit because he was fine and talking and there was no blood. But a couple of minutes later he was unresponsive and had actually been shot.
Victims who have used force to defend themselves should not be automatically arrested. Thats the whole point of self defence.
Until the basic facts are established then everyone is detained.
As for this case, we simply dont know but I expect the police used the information they had.
Whilst you expect blood everywhere if someone is stabbed or shot it does not always happen that way. When Ronald Reagan was shot at close range he was bundled into the car and driven off and it was assumed he was not hit because he was fine and talking and there was no blood. But a couple of minutes later he was unresponsive and had actually been shot.
MrBogSmith said:
No one, least of all Elon, have any idea what the police faced at the scene.
So many variables and unknowns.
Details like that don't matter when people can't wait to weaponise the matter.
Was the offender even a 'foreigner'? Reports have said he's British.
One of the first things they teach in emergency life saving training is "watch the quiet ones" So many variables and unknowns.
Details like that don't matter when people can't wait to weaponise the matter.
Was the offender even a 'foreigner'? Reports have said he's British.
Anyone kicking off, rolling around, yelling and complaining is almost invariably a much lower priority than the "quiet one"
Break someone's nose .. it won't kill them but there will be blood everywhere
Sucking puncture wound, hardly any blood but it will kill and quickly, and is very hard to spot
In the middle of a melee its even harder especially if the one with the puncture wound doesn't realise they have it
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